Who ranks higher as an ATG, hitman Hearns or Roy Jones jr?

No, duran is not the worst h2h. He beat a prime leonard and fought a lot better against hagler. All this whilst remembering he was a natural lw fighting guys at their best weight. Imagine if hearns came down to lw, or hagler, he'd slaughter them.

Hagler did beat hearns.

His losses to ray and marvin don't really hurt him. His loss to barkley does.

 

Stop buying into ill-informed myths being spouted by the trolls on here, and consider how ridiculous what you are saying is.

Bernard Hopkins
Sugarboy Malinga
James Toney
Thomas Tate
Mike McCallum
Montell Griffin
Virgil Hill
Reggie Johnson
Eric Harding
Clinton Woods
John Ruiz
Antonio Tarver

He didn't fight ANYONE credible? :think

Complete nonsense. :nono

 

I'm sorry, but Calzaghe, Benn and Eubank were not Hagler, Leonard and Duran. Jones not fighting three hometown UK fighters who will be lucky if they make it to the HOF is not the same thing as Hearns not fighting three stone-cold all-time elite ATGs who were fighting in the same environment as him and (crucially) wanted to fight him.

Hearns's wins over Duran and Benitez may be better than Jones's wins over Toney and Hopkins, but overall I still think Jones's depth to his resume and his decade of dominance shades it over Tommy.

 

Well, except he didn't. He got stopped brutally by the two best fighters he ever fought.

 

Ok, now I know for certain that I'm debating with a complete ****ing mongtard.

What a waste of time.

atsch

 

A stoppage loss to a fighter the calibre of Barkley and getting dropped and hurt and dragged into wars by the likes of Roldan and Kinchen when Tommy was still at a good age and would still go on to achieve more great things hurts his greatness waaaaaaaaaaaay more than Jones getting KTFO once he was already shot to **** and physically a mere ghost of himself. JMHO.

 

Hearns by a mile, Jones was an althletic freak a phenom....but is massivley overrated on here

 

just to expel the myth, Jones has a fantastic resume that is enough to put him in the top 30 when coupled with his awesome level of performances throughout his prime.

are there guys he could have fought but didnt? sure there are.

at MW he could have done with fighting the winner of jackson-mcclellan.
at SMW he could have done with fighting Benn
at LHW de should have fought DM.

and quite frankly if you think he ducked any heavyweights then you hold him at a much much higher level than I do, because whilst it would have been fantastic seeing him stay there and fight tyson, toney, holy, byrd I would certainly not expect a man who started at LMW to fight that high.

So basically there are only 3 guys he could have fought as well. Consider at MW he fought the greatest of the era in hopkins and the other two guys lost to people Jones himself had already dominated.

people like to restrospectively look back and say he should have fought such and such but the truth is he fought most of them and even made an offer to fight Lewis, that's right Lennox fuking Lewis. Jones ducked noone. He was a bit egotistical about the DM fight but with all the hype who can blame him?

 

As much as I do not think Jones is all that great, I tihnk he is clearly greater than Hearns.

Hearns is more exciting, no doubt.

 

Hearns!

 

He was scheduled to fight McClellan after Benn-McClellan. Not Roy's fault it never happened.

And after that fight, Benn showed no interest in Jones, other than idle talk. He stayed at home making the same boring title defences he'd been making pre-McClellan, but looked like a fighter in decline, then started losing.

The only guy that can be held against Jones is Michalczewski, but really Jones was holding ALL the belts in that division other than the WBO, was beating better opposition than Michalczewski was, was beating guys that Michalczewski beat as well but doing so more emphatically, and was the reigning world p4p#1 while Michalczewski was a someone in eastern Europe and a no-one everywhere else.

Of course it should have been Michalczewski hunting him, much like Hatton hunted Mayweather, not the other way around. P4P#1's don't go Euro-hunting for single-belt hometown champions, that just isn't reality.

 

i don't blame him really, I'm just saying them 3 would look nice on his resume.

yeah the who hunts who thing, maybe that's what I mean by ego. roy acted like he had all the balls in his court, of course he did, I just like an ideal world where the best fight each other.

 

When I take everything into consideration it is a very close call. But, I hated roy and was a tommy fan so i gotta go with the hitman.

 

by April 1987 hagler had slowed down considerably compared to what he was in 82 when a Leonard fight was first on the agenda till ray retired - it was after working as a commentator for the Mugabi fight in 86 that leonard saw how hagler was slipping and so went all out to make the fight , its no secret that the Hearns and Mugabi wars seriously diminished Hagler as the elite champion @ 160.