Who Ranks higher on the ATG LIST. Julio Cesar Sr or Floyd Mayweather Jr?

I know people sees me supporting/defending Floyd but mainly is bc i see all these dumb ass comments about his resume being weak which is COMPLETELY false. And all these dumb comparsions on past greats who fought in a different weight class. And how all Floyd's opponents suck compare to other greats opponents even though they are different size and uncomparable.

The only you can take is who he fought and what ranking his opponent were and they were Great. Haters can express about how much his opponents suck but they were p4pers at their era and they were champs which does not mean that they suck. Makes no sense.

 

Wait a minute, i just saw someone say a Prime Corrales was better than a Prime Taylor!?!? :roflatsch


Like i said, Keep Chavez out of the General. Only the Classic should be allowed to discuss the likes of him and the other ATG's from the past.

 

Look at JCC's record and then come talk to me. 50+ bums and 30 average and a smudgen of good fighters and about 5 great fighters is JCC.

Not to mention that JCC enjoyed TR card stacking, bias judging and hometown/race support. Floyd doesn't have that support and fighting guys in other promotions and still wins. He earned it the hard way.

 

I don't agree with that statement. I think Taylor is far more talented than Corrales. However is impossible to legitamently say this fighter is better than another fight in another weight class.

 

Every top contender of the divisions he fought at...You say to look at the ranking at the time he fought them, well take a look at Chavez' opositions in title fights. Most were top ranked contenders, and champions around that time he fought them. The Whitaker fight was a robbery, everyone knows that, but other than that what do you have? the Taylor fight? please that has been done to death, maybe the Randall rematch you could make a good case, but other than that? His best wins have been legit, haters always exaggerate about the gifts and robberies. And you want to talk about earning **** the hard way? Chavez pretty much had NO amateur career at all...He pretty much just came out of nowhere and reached the very top of the sport THE ****ING HARD WAY. Dude was fighting an average of 5 times a year, who the **** in the modern era does that? Certainly not Floyd. In you wont find many fighters that lasted at the top as long as Chavez did with that type of style.

 

And for the record, i have nothing bad to say about Floyd. He's one of my favorites, and is an excellent boxer. I have always given him alot of credit.

 

Floyd has been fighting since he was a kid. He had over 200+ amatuer fights before he was 18! while JCC prolly hasn't even fought 10 amatuer fights. Most fighters who fought over 100 times amatuer or pro and over 10 years well already be burnt out. Floyd is burnt out and should be allow to fight a few times a year. He has been fighting all his life.

I'm not saying JCC have a bad resume but certainly not as great as people has put it and i defintiely don't think he tops Jrs. Haters block and discredit Floyd just bc. The myth on Floyd not fighting great comp is bull is bc he is that much better than everyone else that no matter who he fights they are always garbage. If you look at his opponent ranking/pedigree than you know is false.

 

Which would explain why Chavez fought alot of journeymen in his early career, since he had almost no amateur background...To go from virtually no amateur background to the very top of the Boxing world is a very good feat in itself IMO. Floyd has a very solid resume himself, i've never said he doesn't. Chavez does as well, i just think alot of people underrate his resume, and just say that he fought nothing but bums, when in reality, he fought alot of very good fighters.

 

Life must be hard for you since you traveled the world high and low and met most of the black people around the world

 

First, Morales was not shot to pieces but he was past his prime. That's nothing to be ashamed of since Morales is an ATG.

Second, Barrera was not over the hill, you are just trolling now.

Third, floyd lost to Castillo who is inferior to Morales and Barrera.

I was responding to his point that having a better resume equals better skills, so the medal has nothing to do with the conversation. I know pac was beaten, but he has still beaten the better fighters. Even if you think their resumes are close, according to player3, that would mean their skills are close. I'm just using his logic as I know it sounds incredibly stupid.

 

Yep. Most mexican fighters doesn't want any amatuer fights. It was their source of income. For a mexican fighter to a big record today is still not uncommon even though the country has improve a bit from 10 years ago.

 

Hey i'm open minded and not racist. I'm not saying that there is no ghetto people in other races but is just based of my experiences.

 

Morales look like **** and had to drop down from 180lbs. If he is not shot to pieces then he was extremely burnt out. Bc no hungry fighter who add 50+ lbs inbetween fights unless you just dont give a ****.

Barrera already been in a lot of wars before he fought Pac. It wasn't just me who thought that his career was coming to the end at the time. Many boxing analyst was suggesting retirement for Barrera.

Nobody would say that Corrales and Castillo wasn't peak prime when Floyd fought them both.

Their resume is close. Pac has the edge in his ability to fight more weight classes and carrying his power/speed with it to 8 divisions. That is a major factor in even the score with Floyd. Floyd look no where near his best after he went to 147. However what makes Floyd to top Pac is that he has never loss and after 16 years reign of dominance is still going strong. Pac really only took off and became exceptional for about 7 years.

 

So you're going to point out the circumstances surrounding Morales weight issues and not mention Corrales weight issues, a little biased are we?

How are you going to ignore what Barrera accomplished after losing to pac? He wasn't prime but he wasn't over the hill that's for sure.

I'm not arguing who is better, I think Floyd is better. I was just pointing out how stupid player3's comment was. If you agree then address that topic, otherwise we are not in disagreement.

 

:yikes

This is a joke, right...?