Who Ranks higher on the ATG LIST. Julio Cesar Sr or Floyd Mayweather Jr?

Is true that Corrales had weight problems so i give you that somewhat but there some differences. Corrales at 5'11 was way too big for 130 and was wrecking guys knocking guys out cold at the time. He was intentionally draining himself to knock little guys around plus he wanted to beat Floyd jr and demanded the fight. So when it back fired on him i don't feel bad for him.

It is not just weight for Morales. Like Barrera he already had many wars and relatively long career by the time he fought pac and he got lazy. He was still consider big for a 130lber but there is no reason to shoot up to 180+ lbs inbetween fights.

I don't recall that Barrera did anything special after pac other than he beat Morales and Rocky. . ..

 

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what... Morales is as worn as Barrera. Is like Vazquez fighting Marquez again.

 

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Pac was pretty worn too it's fair to say. He'd already been KTFO twice and in wars with Morales and Sanchez

Barrera beating Morales again was huge since Morales just kicked Pac's ass. He also beat Juarez twice, went tough with Marquez and beat the crap out of Ayala. To try and discredit the Barrera win is pretty crappy tilang.

 

No I use his record as the example :hey

 

Pac got his ass kicked early in his career bc of weight drained and that he was still developing as a fighter so i would not say he is worn out when he didn't even reach his peak.

I consider Morales worned out bc he was already past his peak and been through a lot of wars and letting his body go. Mentally and Physically worn out.

I consider Barrera over the hill bc of the tough battles in the past and brain surgery to remove a blood clot is never a good sign to fight on. I'm not saying that over the hill fighters can't win matches, just look at Bhop, and even jones but I wouldn't consider those victories over Floyd's victory over Corrales and Castillo. Corrales was actually favored to beat Floyd and Castillo was coming off his biggest wins.

Also I don't rate Rocky that highly. I feel his mental state was never there and fought with no sense of urgency. Barrera deserves credit for those wins but it was is no highlight imo. Morales vs Barrera will always produce good matches no matter what condition they are in. Still i don't think Pac fought the best of those two. If the Morales and Barrera victories means so much. Pac's biggest win would not be over Oscar de la hoya who was drained badly.

 

Pac's biggest win isn't over Oscar, its hardly a top 5 win.

What does being favoured have to do with any of your points? Barrera was a bigger favourite against Pac than Corrales against Mayweather......

 

of all the things i listed being favoried is what you come out of? Why i even go into details or list supporting arguements then?

Barerra was a huge favorite bc Pac was not well known at the time. Corrales was well known and a gaining popularity. Mayweather was well known too. More eyes were on both of them so the odds was more calculated. Not Pacs. If you gamble a lot you will know what that means. As you know most people love to overate punchers almost as much as they love to (overated guys with big record) so Corrales became a slight favorite.

Alot of people consider Oscar as Floyd's biggest win too but I don't and no **** i know Oscar is not pac's biggest win.

My point is that if Morales and Barrera vs Pac was in such a even playing field. There wouldn't be people saying that Morales and Barrera was nearly finish when Pac fought them. And you know is not just me who thinks that. Barrera and Morales as over the hill was the excuse why Pac won but in reality there is a lot of truth in it.

 

Morales was clearly on the decline when Pac was fighting him in his struggles with Chi, Espadas and Raheem when Pac was finally able to win.

Barrera on the other hand hadn't been soundly beaten since Junior Jones in 1998 and was coming off best performances against Hamed.

If you want to nitpick, Corrales didn't reach his full potential until 135. At 130 he was draining himself badly which is documented in the pre fight build up against Mayweather, not to mention having to face jail right after the bout.

It works both ways.

 

I've already address Corrales part. Corrales drains based on gaining a size advantage. Morales was draining cus he let his **** go. if **** blew up in corrales face that is only his own wrong doing.

 

Ok but we can't give Floyd full credit for beating a prime Corrales because he wasn't at his best, just like we can't give Pac full credit for beating a prime Barrera because of his distractions :good

 

thats for sure. But i think Floyd got more prime versions even though Barrera and Morales is way higher than Corrale in atg rankings. IMO i feel Castillo deserves to be rated as high as Morales and Barrera. Most people will prolly not agree to that though since he wasn't as popular.

 

Money May, Chavez' career is a padded mess.