Who ranks higher on your ATG List. Oscar De La Hoya or Floyd Mayweather Jr

I think Floyd's the greatest defensive fighter of AT. Two things to consider:

1) Floyd's been hit cleanly so rarely that, when it does happen, it's a goddamn current event in boxing. And this is true for the most part.

2) Perhaps more importantly, Floyd is unbelievable at disarming his opponent (something I consider to be defensive in nature). Floyd systematically removes his opponents from the fight by "taking them out of their game." This happens in virtually every Floyd fight and it's pretty incredible tbh.

I don't know much about Locche, but Pep and Pea had different types of defense. Pea's defense revolved more around making his opponents flat out miss and hit air and, if you're honest, Pep was hittable; he did have a great defense but I think his ring generalship was what made him so effective.

 

Accomplishments and resume

Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Title fights: 20
Champions or former champions fought: 14
Champion: 7 times
Weight Classes: 5

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Genaro Hernandez
Angel Manfredy
Diego Corrales
Carlos Hernandez
Jesus Chavez
Jose Luis Castillo X2
Arturo Gatti
Shambra Mitchell
Zab Judah
Carlos Baldomir
Oscar De La Hoya
Juan Manuel Marquez
Shane Mosley
Victor Ortiz
Miguel Cotto

Oscar De La Hoya

Title fights: 25
Champions or former champions fought: 22
Champion: 10 times
Weight Classes: 6

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Jorge Paez
John John Molina
Rafael Ruelas
Genaro Hernandez
Jesse James Leija
Julio Cesar Chavez X2
Miguel Angel Gonzalez
Pernell Whitaker
Hector Camacho
Wilfredo Rivera
Ike Quartey
Oba Carr
Felix Trinidad
Arturo Gatti
Javier Castillejo
Fernando Vargas
Yori Boy Campas
Shane Mosley
Ricardo Mayorga

 

:bbb

 

easily De La Hoya

legacy built on fighting the best >>> legacy built on running your mouth, trolling fans and padding your record

 

:smoke

 

Oscar's resume is amazing. That's why he's one of my favorite fighters of all time. There's no question DLH's ring record is full of substance but those loses do affect his legacy......past his prime or not.

Even though I agree with your logic....that DLH faced the best, took the risk and fought the best you know fighters legacies take a hit whenever they fight too long or bite off more than they can chew that results in losses or sub-par performances.

Why do you think Floyd cares so much about his "0"?........because he knows history will remember his undefeated record moreso than who is on his resume that makes up his legacy.....Floyd's done enough to have a very good resume......not great, but very good. He has only 2 truly great fighters on his resume.....DLH and Shane......maybe Chico which was his best win in my opinion.

But he protects his undefeated record as we all saw with his interesting "negotiation tactics" in trying to make the fight with Pac. If Floyd retires like Marciano did.....undefeated.....time and fading memories with look kindly on him.....the significance of his wins will be less important than remaining "perfect" in a long career with some big names on his resume.

 

:deal

 

oscar dared to be great. floyd won't take risky fights.

 

How much higher does Rocky Marciano, or Ricardo Lopez rank above
Roberto Duran, Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis, Henry Armstrong, Harry Greb?

None, because Marciano and Lopez retiring undefeated doesn't rank them higher than these fighters who have anywhere between 3 and 20 losses.

Substance ranks higher than numbers. Look at how many losses the P4P#1 All Time has .

 

The difference between guys like Robinson.....Duran...ALI, from DLH is that MOST if NOT ALL of their biggest fights were won. DLH can't say that. So I see your point with Rocky and Cardo not ranking higher in the ATG standings being undefeated but the guys you are comparing those two against are some very special fighters.....REALLY special.

Substance with a combination of "STATS" is by far more powerful than just substance...you could have faced EVERY big name in your era and LOSE all of those fights....it doesn't mean you are an ATG fighter because you had balls and faced all the best.....

YOU HAVE TO WIN at the end of the day to bring it all together for the sake of ones legacy.

 

Oscar lost to ONLY Mosley in his prime by SD, and he later avenged his loss.
Oscar's prime was between 135-147.
Oscar was fastest, strongest, and had the most success at 147, his prime.

After 2003, I consider Oscar past his prime.

He lost to Hopkins in 2004 at 160, a weight not suited for him and past his prime.
He lost to Mayweather P4P#1 and in 2007, past his prime.
He lost to Pacquiao when Oscar was just a shell of himself.

Oscar also has the deepest resume of the last 20 years.

So you're going to knock a fighter that is willing to do what MOST TOP fighters today won't do? Fight everyone.

I love boxing, and I respect almost evry single fighter, and I don't deiscredit their legacies for losing when they have dimisnished. I judge their career based on accomplishments during their prime.

 

and He should have lost to Sturm,Whitaker, and Quartey.

 

:deal