Who ranks higher on your ATG List. Oscar De La Hoya or Floyd Mayweather Jr

So Rivera beat Whitaker. By this logic, Oscar beat the **** out of Rivera. Since its ok for Floyd to beat Castillo again

 

43-0, DLH doesn't even have 40 wins and you bring up the greats.......

 

What's your point ?? Oscar should be beating the **** out of Rivera because Rivera is ****ing garbage.

 

Yeah so garbage he gave Whitaker trouble. So trouble he gave Vargas trouble. So **** he gave Mosley trouble.

So trouble he hadn;t even lost until Whitaker, Yeah he sucks atsch

 

He wasn't very good. If he was good he would been able to win a World title at some point in his career but he never did. Rivera was a Journeyman. There a big difference between giving a guy trouble and actually winning. You can give a guy trouble and lose every single round. Sure he Had good start against Vargas but once Vargas stepped his game up a little, he destroyed rivera and made Rivera quit. Remember Vargas had come off that big loss to Trinidad. Mosley Knocked Ricera out aswell. Whitaker should never have lost to somebody of the caliber of Rivera. A Prime Whitaker would have won every second of the fight. But Whitaker terrible performance showed he hadn't anything left in the tank.

 

no one said Whitaker was prime numb nuts atsch

Floyd didn't beating ONE prime ATG, and didnt come close to it. Like a guy said, when youre listing Judah at 147 as a top 6 win, your resume is lacking

 

Yeah, well, by that ******ed logic, Oscar failing to destroy Steve Forbes and Manny after he fought Floyd demonstrates he had nothing left in the tank. Hence Floyd's win over Oscar doesn't count.

Your logic isn't so cool when it gets used against you huh?

 

I never said anybody said Whitaker was prime. I was comparing prime Whitaker to Shot version that was struggling again the likes of Rivera. I agree Floyd never beat a Prime ATG but neither did Oscar.

 

Trinidad, Mosley 2, Vargas.

Still waiting for a supporter of Floyd in this debate to group together 3 wins that beat those universally accepted victories.

 

WTF are you talking about ? Whitaker fought Rivera before he fought Oscar. I'm talking about Whitaker terrible performances against the likes if Rivera and Hurtado before he fought Oscar. I'm not talking about what he did after Oscar.

 

Oscar schooled Trinidad atsch

 

:deal

Corrales, Hatton, cotto atsch

 

Trindad ain't an ATG

 

You said Rivera sucked, which 1) isn't true, and 2) that Whitaker was clearly in decline because he couldn't handle Rivera. You also said a few posts ago that Whitaker was proven to be finished by his bad performance in the Rivera and what he did after Oscar.

By the same token, I can say that the Floyd win over Oscar was no good because he looked like **** against Sturm, got KO'd by Hopkins, and then took advantage of a favorable stylistic matchup to turn back the clock for one night and smash Mayorga.

Rivera was a good fighter, and Hurtado was quite good as well. Hurtado gave Tszyu all he could handle after the Whitaker fight too. Whitaker having trouble with them by no means meant he was done. Whitaker was still the champion, and still near the top of the P4P lists. The Oscar fight showed he did still have something left in the tank, rather than proving he had nothing left. He only turned to **** by the time he fought Trinidad, by which point he'd been snorting coke for almost 2 solid years after fighting Oscar. The Whitaker that fought Oscar probably beats Trinidad if you want to get technical about it. There's a reason Trinidad never fought a, in your words, "finished" Whitaker even though they were both champions in the division for several years. Why? Because he wasn't finished!

Just because Rivera couldn't win a title doesn't mean he sucked. It was a product of the stronger era he fought in. Same thing with a guy like David Tua. A guy like Baldomir or Ortiz could never be a titlist back then, for example.

Your desperate attempts to pick at Oscar's resume are getting kind of sad. You've already ignored a bunch of posts that derailed you earlier in the thread. Just throw in the towel and admit defeat.