Who ranks higher on your ATG List. Oscar De La Hoya or Floyd Mayweather Jr

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Skittlez, Oct 10, 2012.


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  1. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Exactly, Oscar has both criteria met. Even if you somehow argue Floyd has 3 greater or equal wins to DLH's top 3, you still have to then recognize Oscar has such a long string of good & very good wins as well.
     
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  2. Collie

    Collie Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Both have good resumes, Oscar has huge names on his but he lost to some of them. Mayweather has beaten everybody he has faced, despite the fact that some names are notable in their absence (Pacquaio). Plus his relative inactivity hasn't helped his cause but he has been largely dominant for a long time (12-14 years, probably moreso than Oscar) which is in his favour. I also think skills-wise, Mayweather has the upper hand and I don't rank ATG'ness on resume alone (although it is the main factor).

    Therefore I rank Mayweather higher on my ATG list. In a list I done of Top 30 fighters since 1980, I have Mayweather at 5 and De La Hoya at 13, 14 or 15 I think
     
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  3. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Rightly put, B :good

    Had Floyd actually fought his contemporaries at their best (pac/Cotto), then we could talk.
     
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  4. NOTINDAFACE

    NOTINDAFACE No Me Se Rajar Full Member

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    De la hoya easy, floyds best wins are b - compared to oscar's best wins
     
    NOTINDAFACE, Oct 13, 2012
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  5. Skittlez

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    You can't judge wins like that though. You have to judge the wins by how dangerous and good the opponents were, not just their 'ATG' standings.

    Let me give a few examples.

    Ferando Vargas is obviously not an 'ATG', but that win Tito had over him was huge because Vargas going into that fight was considered a very very good fighter.

    Same with Golota-Lewis

    looking back, ok Golota didn't do **** and is not even a Hall of Famer. But going INTO the Lewis fight he just dominated Riddick Bowe twice and was considered a betting favorite over Lennox. He was obviously a great talent that Lennox ruined.



    But you make a very good case for Floyd, and I agree with you about adding up the overall quality of wins and not just 1-2 big ones over name opponents.
     
    Skittlez, Oct 14, 2012
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  6. Skittlez

    Skittlez Guest

    I got a list of top 30 fighters since 1980 as well.
     
    Skittlez, Oct 14, 2012
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  7. rapscalion

    rapscalion Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :deal
     
    rapscalion, Oct 14, 2012
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  8. KubratPuluv

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    Bad post and bad analogies.
    If you are going to count robberies as losses, we might as well make sure to give Chavez SR a win over Pernell.
    Undefeated Records means nothing at all. Calzaghe have a greater undefeated record compare to Mayweather.
    Could Floyd have beaten Prime undefeated Cotto? Paul Williams? Probably, but he didn't even try. Rankings mean nothing by the way. Tyson was the rank #2 in the world at the time of the Lennox fight. So technically Lewis beat the #2 if we are going to go by rankings.

    How could Mike Tyson be shot? If he's rank #2? How? So rankings means literally nothing.

    If you take the Oscar who fought Vargas against the Floyd who fought Oscar. Oscar would have either stopped Floyd or win a 10-2 decision.
     
    KubratPuluv, Oct 18, 2012
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  9. IGIFTK

    IGIFTK S.Kovalev is a problem. Full Member

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    I agree.

    Floyd takes the cake on this one.
     
    IGIFTK, Oct 18, 2012
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  10. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Very tough question. Both are brilliant
     
    bailey, Oct 18, 2012
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  11. KubratPuluv

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    How the **** can he be an ATG but also a 'product of a great story and marketing' 'no where near as good as his fans make him out to be'??


    Not one Oscar fan said he's the GOAT. I don't hear anybody from fanboys to boxing writers placing Oscar above the likes of Leonard,Hearns Duran. Oscar fans mostly got him right where he belongs.
     
    KubratPuluv, Oct 18, 2012
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  12. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    I don't know why you'd want to insert your biases so heavily, but a lot of Floyd's "challengers" had belts and Mosley, Marquez, Hatton and Corrales were pfp top ten. Cotto and Castillo might have been, I don't remember.
     
    NoNeck, Oct 18, 2012
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  13. KubratPuluv

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    Shane Mosley was done. Rankings once again don't mean **** in regards to some fighters. Mike Tyson was ranked #2 in 2000,2001. Mike Tyson was ranked #1-#2 during his 'prime days' as well. See, same rankings.

    Just because you are ranked in the top 10 or top 5 or top 3, don't mean you were not done. Roy Jones jr was a 'ranked' fighter for years after his devastatingly embarrassing KO defeat.
     
    KubratPuluv, Oct 18, 2012
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  14. KubratPuluv

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    That's a very good way to judge it. How was Floyd's run at the lower divisions?
     
    KubratPuluv, Oct 18, 2012
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