Who ranks higher on your ATG List. Oscar De La Hoya or Floyd Mayweather Jr

Welp it's easy to look flawless against guys like Corrales and Gatti. No one that Floyd fought would have troubled Oscar at 140 and below, and Castillo gave Floyd fits.

 

Floyd. Its not really a debate in My Opinion, when you take into account Resume, Ability, Consistency, Longevity, H2H. I rank Floyd much higher as an ATG. To me whenever I watched Oscar, I never really saw anything Special. He was so damn Inconsistent, One fight he can look real good and in another he will look like Crap. Oscar did fight better competition, There is nobody in about the Last 25 years who has a better resume than Oscar in terms of Competition. But you have to take in account losses. If your going to ignore a guys losses your a blind idiot. The name of the game is to win fights, that why fighters have records, that why fighters train hard and fight in order to win fights. Oscar losses really hurt him in my opinion, he arguably lost all of his big fights. That was the problem with him he was too damn inconsistent, you can look at his resume and argue he lost about 7 or 8 fights. Even the ones he won on Paper such as Quartey, Whitaker, Sturm, you can argue he lost all three of them. Sturm easily got robbed.

 

You are going into a arguement that is extremely hard to prove on how good a certain fighter is. All we know is that Corrales was a champ, and went on becoming champ again pre/post Floyd. That should say enough about how good Corrales was.

Castillo I Floyd's shoulder muscle was torned. We both know why he was troubled in that fight.

 

You can't honestly tell me corrales stood a chance against a young Delahoya can you!? And Manfredy? And Jesus Chavez? Sure it's a fantasy bout but let's be real for one moment.

 

I like watching about 70% of FLoyd's fight. His 130-140lb reign was Masterclass. His 147 reign is not so much. He became much slower, more counter punching style and became snoozefest. Even though it was still one sided it had NO drama. He became a safety first fighter at 147. His recent fights has been more entertaining bc he became more aggressive again but not nearly as agile as he was but his armor of invinicbily is definitely going away. The guy is getting old and the long laidoffs, plus getting paid 50+mill a fight has taken its toll.

 

I've been keeping it real for 6 years on ESB now. If Floyd is not good, i would say it. I'm not Hispanic or Black so i have no agenda. I'm just a gambler who analysts fighters to get paid.

I think Corrales would get KTFO by Oscar prime. I never rate Manfreddy as some hot prospect as many was saying. Jesus Chavez was not a bad fighter.

 

Yes but to act like Floyds run from 130 to 140 was so much better than Oscars is a bit short sighted. Why do you feel this way? He was far more devastating against the same quality of fighters really.

 

I can't see from work. just look up GB production FLoyd career highlights I.

 

Those are type of questions that is too hard to answer. Different weight, different time, and different opponents, different styles.. The only way is by common opponents but thats too diffcult to really compare. All i can say is that Floyd has made easy work against all lvl if not injured while Oscar has struggled. I know Oscar is a great fighter but i just don't see him as the level of Floyd.

It is not just me who feels that Floyd is or was an exceptional talent. Everyone basically strives to try to fight like Floyd. Even Oscar ask SR to help him and he is trying the philly shell bc Oscar himself knows that Jr is an exceptional talent.

Lets put it this way you are not going to hear many people saying that they want to fight like Oscar. Again i'm not bashing Oscar this applies to most active boxers today.

 

I don't know how anyone can currently consider Floyd a superior ATG, at this point in his career, than Oscar. Oscar has fought FAR superior competition, indisputably. If Floyd fights Pac or Sergio, and wins convincingly, then maybe Floyd gets the nod.

Not to be a hater, but who has Floyd fought/beat in their prime?

The only extremely incredible win of Floyd's career is over Corrales; he looked great versus Genaro Hernandez too (his first title fight). I'm not knocking Floyd, because I believe he's #1 pfp today. He wins lopsided decisions in just about every fight regardless of his opposition, and he takes practically zero punishment in those fights; masterful performances.

Floyd's notable fights: Older DLH, Older Mosley, Hatton (HOF, but obviously not ATG), two-loss Cotto, overrated Judah, much overrated Gatti (doesn't even belong in HOF talent-wise), Chavez (great fight but Chavez isn't even a HOF'er to memory), etc.

DLH fought/beat Chavez Sr. - TWICE (ATG), Genaro Hernandez (HOF), Sweet Pea (ATG), Camacho (HOF), Trinidad (HOF), Prime/Juiced Mosley - twice (HOF), BHOP (ATG).

Let's put our personal preferences aside... Oscar's resume is wayyyyyy ****ing better to date. I think Floyd would've beat Oscar at any point during either of their careers. Their fight at 154 was an easy 8-4 for Floyd, and would've been more one-sided at a more neutral weight / neutral gloves / ring size / etc.

I still think, for the moment, Oscar's a superior ATG based off level of opposition.

 

Floyd fought a lot of Primed opponents.

notables were Corrales, Castillo, Judah, Hatton, Jesus chavez, Carlos Henderaz, Ortiz,

 

Oscar was able to get these past primed ATG thanks to his promotor bob arum. As if Floyd wouldn't love to have Kostya (out of prime scalp?) or Prime Mosley's scalp. They were scare of Floyd.

When Floyd is raising to the top he was begging every big name to fight him. Who was eager to fight Floyd???? People think that Hamed, Kostya, Young, Younger shane would dare to fight someone like Floyd? after they lose their **** they don't mind fighting Floyd.

 

Oscar and Mayweather have mutual respect for eachother, Floyd wanted to be Delahoya ever since he turned pro, talked about him every chance he could.

It's not hard to determine who's resume from 130-140 was better. What does weight have to do with it? They both fought at the weights.

Oscar beat Julio Chavez Sr. (99-1), Gonzales (42-1), Hernandez (32-0), Ruelas (43-1) Leija (25-1), Molina, and Paez

Floyd beat Corrales (33-0), Castillo (45-4-1), Hernandez (37-1) Chavez (35-1), Manfredy (25-2-1) Corley (28-2-1)

Both were Fighter Of The Years at one point and both won 3 titles in 3 weight classes. So what makes Floyd's time down there that much better?

 

I dont really rate Oscar/Floyd's wins over old timers. I rate them by how many time they defended and dethrone champs. I give more credit in dethroning champs but They both have around 20 championship fights. That means they have fought champs or someone who is worthy of becoming a champ at that point in time. That speaks more loudly than the pitty but he beat this guy who is battleworn or old as ****.

In the world of boxing every dog will get their day. If they stay too long in the boxing game then they get beat by the up and coming but how good was the acheivement really?