Who ranks Higher on your ATG List? Whitaker or Hagler?

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  1. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    Well, as far as the myth thing goes, it's going to be different for the General than it is for the Classic. I'd say the big 3 are probably...

    Mayweather (General)
    Duran (Classic)
    Hagler (Both)

    Vitali, Morales, Tyson, Jones, even Whitaker himself are all good shouts though. Especially in the Classic for Whitaker - most everyone who posts there loves the guy.
     
  2. NWS

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    Are you about to start taking swipes? 'Cause I'll leave. :bart

    How about Hearns? Is there are more unbeatable H2H force in the history of boxing @ 147-154. His physical dimensions and attributes, jab/reach, blood curdling power and boxing skill make him Everyone's Nightmare in just about any thread, even against Robinson and particularly if it's 'Over 12' -- may even be justified for ****s sake, but still. I've even been guilty of it, because he was so ****ing unique.
     
  3. the cobra

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    I don't think its too bad with Tommy. Pretty much anyone who says he'd be a handful for Robinson doesn't really go any farther than that and he is a horrible match up for anyone at 154 or lower. How many guys could compete with or at least get by that jab? How many guys can survive that power? How many of those few can get close enough to land meaningful shots themselves? How many of those few have the power and finishing ability to stop him?

    Anyone at those weights would have to overcome some serious disadvantages, which is why Leonard's win is so damn impressive, of course. He's hell to outbox and maybe the most destructive single shot hitter in history. Favoring him over all but 2 or 3 guys below 154 isn't making a myth out of him - it's just a matter of being reasonable. :deal
     
  4. NWS

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    I agree.

    Plus it doesn't suit my agenda to argue otherwise. :hey

    And yes, it's easily one of the greatest wins of all-time.
     
  5. turbotime

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    Oscar KOs Hearns in 4 :deal
     
  6. NWS

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    Hearns KOs Trinidad in 4.
     
  7. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    :yep

    I think Hearns/Hagler is the more interesting match up, ATG-wise. I lean towards Hearns now, which is almost by default since Hags no longer has the MW record thanks to ol' Hopkins.
     
  8. NWS

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    Pernell had a lot of balls to be taking his little 5'6 self (I shouldn't talk :lol:) up against those big monsters De La Hoya and Trinidad when he was past his best, and way gone concerning the latter.
     
  9. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Whitaker was even signed to fight Quartey until he went to rehab, winner was going to get Oscar (or, a rematch for Pea)

    Pea got a cool 8 mill for the first Oscar fight :smoke
     
  10. NWS

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    Yea, he was down to fight Felix Trinidad a lot earlier as well but the Duva's kind of took the hard line on dealing with DKP given their very recent colorful history at that point. Think I got the article:

    BOXING;Whitaker and Trinidad Set Up Showdown
    By CLIFTON BROWN
    Published: November 19, 1995


    By knocking out their opponents tonight, Pernell Whitaker and Felix Trinidad positioned themselves for a welterweight showdown next year.

    Whitaker, regarded as perhaps the world's best boxer, pound for pound, defended his World Boxing Council welterweight title with a sixth-round knockout of Jake Rodriguez before 5,112 at the Atlantic City Convention Center. Trinidad was equally impressive in the co-feature bout, defending his International Boxing Federation 147-pound championship with a fourth-round knockout of Larry Barnes, the No. 1-ranked contender.

    Trinidad, one of boxing's rising stars at age 22, is 27-0 with 23 knockouts, but a fight with Whitaker would bring Trinidad the biggest payday of his career, plus international recognition. Whitaker, from Norfolk, Va., is 31 years old, and he has insisted that he will not fight for many more years. But Whitaker is looking forward to a potential fight against Trinidad, a native of Cupey Alto, P.R.

    "Everyone wants to see a Trinidad fight, so let's do it," Whitaker said after tonight's victory. "Let's get it on right now. Felix Trinidad is a great young fighter. But he has to come to the master."

    Lou Duva, Whitaker's manager, said that Trinidad would have to be released from his promoter, Don King, before a Trinidad-Whitaker bout could take place.

    "The second he is released from King, bring us a contract," Duva said after the fight. "The public deserves this fight."


    Whitaker (37-1-1) was in command against Rodriguez (27-4-2), controlling the fight with his superior hand speed. It ended in the sixth round, when Whitaker floored Rodriguez with a left hook-right hand combination. Rodriguez rose to his feet, but he was in deep trouble, and Whitaker did not let his opponent escape. Whitaker knocked down Rodriguez again with a right to the body and a left to the head. The fight was waved to an end by the referee, Frank Cappuccino, as Rodriguez rose to his feet.

    Asked if he had watched Trinidad fight from the dressing room, Whitaker said: "I don't watch fights. I didn't watch in the back. But I'm sure my wife watched it, and I'll get a full report when I get back."

    Whitaker missed a good show by Trinidad, who was tested by Barnes (39-2), the No. 1 ranked contender from Mount Vernon, N.Y., Barnes kept constant pressure on the champion by moving forward, fighting out of a low crouch. But Trinidad's punching power surfaced with sudden fury in the fourth round, bringing a dramatic end to the fight.

    Trinidad stunned Barnes with a left hook to the temple. Barnes staggered backward, and Trinidad moved in for the finish. Barnes did his best to survive, throwing wild punches, despite moving on rubbery legs. But Trinidad was too seasoned to let Barnes get away, and there was too much time left in the round for Barnes to last. Trinidad hit Barnes with a flurry of punches, and Barnes finally went down after a right-hand body blow. Barnes leaned forward on his knees, with his head touching the canvas. The referee, Benjy Esteves, counted to eight, but it was clear that Barnes was hurt, and Esteves waved his hands with just six seconds left in the round, ending the fight.

    Whitaker and Trinidad shared the podium in a post-fight news conference. Next year, they hope to share a ring.
     
  11. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    I remember that, that pissed me the hell off. I hated King so much back in the day- Imagine how my love grew for him after the winner of Oscar/Tito and Holy/Lewis were announced.
     
  12. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    I swear I like Pea more every day though :yep
     
  13. NWS

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    Tell me about it. :lol: :yep

    Checks out about every box of what defines an ATG.
     
  14. turbotime

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    No honestly, even with my bros when we're slap boxing and what not, whenever someone show boats and drop their hands they call it "the sweet pea" and start dodging and dancing :lol:


    I need to cut it out before I watch Oscar/Pea again and score it for Pea :nono
     
  15. NWS

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    IceVeins tribute for him on YT is ****ing Classic. :deal



    He made some good **** for Hagler and Hearns too, but I love east coast hip-hop so that's probably why I feel it so much. Damn people and their "what's the song?" reply questions.