Who ranks higher Pacquiao or Mayweather in a historical sense?

I honestly don't think the Clottey fight can be called 'a gift'.

I will have to fork my scorecards out but it was close; could've gone either way IMO. The fact of the matter is that Cotto was cut to ****; apart from that causing him concern I didn't see too much deteoration (spelling?!?!?!) apart from the fact he was forced onto the back foot (again) agaisnt a much bigger opponent.

What will it be if Pac beats Clottey? 'Clottey couldn't even beat a shot Cotto'?

 

I think what he's saying is that Hernandez said it, AND the commentators reiterated the point. If that helps:good

 

No its not Pacquaios fault, just as its not Holmes fault ALi wasnt prime. That also doesnt mean they get full credit for beating prime versions of fighters who were past their best

 

You think Cotto was as shot as Ali when he fought Holmes? Regardless of the dearth in class between these two examples, I would say pacs win over Cotto was far more impressive than Holmes' over Ali.

Just an opinion :good

 

Both.

He hadn't been shut out yet, it was before the fight.

 

You have to put into consideration that: It's not his fault that the fighter he fought at fight night becomes shot. Thing is he beats all competition thrown or put infront of him. Don't deny him that.

Like, Oscar's betting odds gap to Pac is 4:1. It's like a fantasy match, crazy 130 pounder fighting Oscar. Don't shoot down Pac just because Oscar is weight drained to the division limit (WW) he himself chooses to challenge Pac on. Same goes to Hatton and Cotto (coming off a win over Mosley/Clottey), it's not Pac's fault they come up short.

I agree that Pac's wins opponents are overrated. But when Pac fights them - the gap or competition between him and his opponent/s as of late are: staggeringly far away, it's like Pac is three leagues apart. His last 4 fights are tremendous domination - all TKO/KO. Put that into consideration too.

Ok here's my parting statement: When this thread was created ( 2 years ago). Tell me you won't call a person crazy predicting Pac will agree to fight and even win a KO/TKO over Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton and Miguel Cotto?

 

I dont think Cotto was shot. I do think Hatton was crap in both fights and DLH was probably not as good as he was against Mayweather because of the weight, but I think Pacs wins are looked at on a much higher level than Floyds simply because he moved up a lot quicker to his current weight and because hes more of a slugger than Floyd.
Hes always been a heavy handed guy and hes never really shown to be at a strength disadvantage like many of us thought as he moved up to face the bigger guys.

 

Before.

He said in an interview with the LA Sun that he was still struggling to make weight just a couple days before the fight, and also was feeling his age. Larry Merchant also said that Hernandez had told him he was in no condition for the fight while speaking with him in the hotel lobby on the day of the fight.

As usual, you're feelings are incorrect.

True; it was closer to the sense that you say DeLaHoya was damaged goods.

 

Pacquio's got the more significant wins against the more significant fighters

 

Cotto just wasnt landing against Clottey and he was running, he did have the cut but he didnt seem to look the same. Then hes made to come down to 145 on top of it

Lets see if Cotto, ever seems the same again, maybe he'll have a revival at 154, but beating Yori Foreman doesnt count

Pac should have a far tougher time with Clottey, but they may be making Clottey come down to 144, when your straining to make 147, coming down to 144 ditracts from the win

 

What did he say when ODLH beat him in basically the same manner only faster? Hernandez was not a quick fighter. A young Oscar and young Floyd were very quick.

 

Far as I know it's at 147.

Either way, making Marquez/Hatton come up to 147 detracts from the win for Floyd, no?

 

Heres his comments:
Hernandez must have known something that we didn't. Two days before the fight, he told Dean Juipe, boxing writer for the Las Vegas Sun, that he was still struggling to make weight, and that his training camp was marred by a lack of suitable sparring partners. The morning of the fight, in the lobby of the Las Vegas Hilton, Hernandez told HBO analyst Larry Merchant that "I will be lucky to win." It was a far cry from his comments when the fight was announced, when Hernandez emphatically called out "Lose? I don't even know that word. There is only win!"

He would have never had a chance anyway, too slow.

 

Given that Hatton turned down the Mayweather fight 7times, numerous times at 140 and said he wanted the fight at 147 because he didnt want to give up his 140lb championship status, then bare in mind Mayweather started at a lower weight and was outweighed on the night, I would say NO

As for Marquez, yes, it detracts from the win ofcourse

 

Interesting, who was the better favourate?