Who ranks higher...Wlad Klitschko or Sonny Liston?

Wlad.Liston only beat one champion:Floyd Patterson.While Wlad beat these champions: Hasim Rahman,Ray Mercer,Chris Byrd and David Haye.

And if your going to be hating just say that you hate Wladimir because he's white.

 

Champions in the modern game are a dime a dozen.

 

Dude,i am a big Floyd Patterson fan but Hasim Rahman,David Haye and Samuel Peter would beat him an probably by KO.Floyd should be fighting at Light-Heavyweight or even Middleweight.Not at all at modern Heavyweight.

 

You said nothing about H2H and how good Floyd was, you said Liston only fought one champ and Wlad 4. I addressed that point.

You don't overly sound like a big fan

 

Whilst I'm not one of these "linear" people who bang on about Shannon Briggs tracing his claim right back to John L. there has to be a limit on 1 champion per division.

If you are of the belief that Peter was the best HW claimant that, by default, means Wlad himself wasn't a champ. Same with David Haye as well.

 

Lineal schmineal. What does lineal even mean anyways? It's such a lazy barometer in my opinion.

The clarify, it's easily one of the most objective facets of boxing, but by removing all subjectivity it kinda brought renders it's relevance moot imo.

That being said, i'm glad to see wlad beating liston on the poll because it's a fairly easy choice for me. Whilst I can entertain liston getting the bod due to the floyd victories, I don't struggle too much when deciding which of these two were greater.

 

There are serious issues with it.

For instance, who the hell honestly looks at Foreman from 1995-97 or Spinks 1986-87 as the top dog in the game? For me, Lewis became the man in 1999 when he beat Holyfield. Not Briggs. Hell, Briggs didnt even actually beat Foreman in all honesty -- who forfeited his claim as fast as he won it, three years earlier. :nut

 

The truth is that Liston would have beaten any of Wlad's oponnents(i dont know about David Haye) and Wlad would have beaten any of Liston's oponnents(who he defeated).But overall Wlad ranks higher.

 

Liston could barley handle others, like Marty Marshall, who I mention cuse I know what you are saying--he was too big for Rocky. Marshall kicked Listons ass, broke his jaw, yet was light heavy.

 

Liston could not hold title, could not win it back, his biggest support is that he beat good fighters before he was champ. Klitschko keeps winning, over an dover, Liston could not do that. Liston can't compare to Klitschko.

 

Is that the same Marshall Liston fought in his 8th pro fight hindered (yes from a punch) losing a decision with a broken jaw? The same one Liston obliterated 2 fights later (unhindered) ? Decisioned 9-1 in rounds 5 fights later in what was still only Liston's 15 pro fight?

I could be here forever looking up early (semi meaningless) career losses of great fighters then using them as a barometer as to why they sucked. I'd also look like a fool.

As soon as someone brings up the Marshall fight as a serious gauge of Liston's abilities you can discount anything more they have to say on the topic.

 

Completely agree.

 

Liston, no doubt. Both prime, Liston crushes Klitschko.:yep