Who ranks higher...Wlad Klitschko or Sonny Liston?

So H2H, Prime vs. Prime... break it down for me-

W. Klitschko vs. Liston

Wlad has every physical advantage... height, reach (yeah, I said it), weight, strength, speed, and dare I say punching power!

Chin? Probably about the same. Liston got his jaw broke by 180 Lb Marty Marshall, he was dropped and stopped by Ali (in the rematch) and Leotis Martin, he was also stopped by Ali in their first fight. Wlad was stopped by Puritty, Sanders, and Brewster... all big ass monsters compared to most of the tiny men Liston had to fight back in the day.

 

can we even give it the decency to call it a reign?

 

Who's reign? Certainly not Klitschko's.

 

:deal

 

I don't think that?

Maybe my grammar was a bit off; I teach Maths not English.

 

i've been pretty much gone from the forum for 2 months...i can't wait to dive back in with this thread

 

go see the V. Klitschko vs. Liston poll/thread

 

Klitschko has greater longevity because he is the best fighter amongst heavyweights of today who would be fighting semi-finals during Sonny Liston's prime years...When we talk
about ranking fighters it should truly be on a H2H basis both in their primes...
Klitschko is dominant today at the age of 40, because he is fighting pygmies in today's
"heavyweight era"...H2h Liston sails into Klit and nails the robotic Wlad as he pulls his head back...The weakest HWT era of alltimes today, and Wlad is the best by far of this
bunch of bloated mastodons...The great big athletes today are in pro football and MMA.

 

Im not even gonna justify with an answer..( with your Russian Piece of **** )

 

You're ******ed man.
You call this a Pygmie era when this is the biggest era ever together with the Lewis era.
Liston was the one fighting true cruisers and blown up lhw's.

 

The 31 of his 50 fights the fighter he fought had a loss in his previous 2 fights(24 of his 50 wins the fighter had a loss in his previous fight), there were enough people who had won their previous bout and were better.

It's one statistic that shows that he was with 90% certainity a cherry picker.

Otherwise I can come in the thread and talk about how much greater Eric Esch is based on his record.

 

You don't have a clue mate.

Go on though, who did he duck in favour of these cherry picks?

 

He could have fought the 31 fighters that defeated the opponents Liston fought that had a loss in their last 2 fights.

 

i haven't gotten through the who thread but with reflection this is a much harder question than many are giving it credit for.

wlad has longevity, skills, and dominance
liston has h2h, resume with at least one hall of famer and competed in a more solid era

I've thought liston has been overated and wlad underrated for some time...the truth for both likely meets in the middle. liston's peak (58-60ish) is great but gets really overblown. he top wins are turned legendary and as far as I can tell he only beat one HOF in patterson and some very good but not great contenders.

this is certainly not light years of wlad's dominance over the best of his era. If people want to dismiss this era, fine but it's as silly as dismissing williams and machen as also rans. Gun to my head, based on all factors (h2h, skills, resume) I give wlad the nod.

 

D, I might be "******ed", but if you cannot understand the use of the word "pygmies " means lack of modern heavyweight opponents of Klitschko having minimal abilities...Than sir, you might be the one lacking sophistication, not I...To put it in terms you may understand I didn't mean Klitschkos opponents lacked size or heft. Just skills compared to Sonny Liston...atsch