Who ranks highest all time Hopkins, Mayweather, Pacquiao or Usyk ?

Except they’re not.

They’re full of logical examples etc.


Whereas you have accounted for weight for Floyd’s fights, but then not allowed the same for Usyk’s.

That is not having an objective debate in good faith.


You have also made up ridiculous claims, stating that Usyk feasted on CW bums.

You’ve embarrassed yourself, showing a complete lack of knowledge of his opponents and the division.

 

Get some manners before you debate anyone else on here

Your behaviour and arrogance is embarrassing

 

What difference does it make if he’s now retired??


Usyk moved up and beat an awkward and motivated Fury, who completely outsized him, in height, reach and weight. He had 50 pounds on him.


Floyd ducked Manny for years, before then beating a faded and injured version, who literally had shoulder surgery the week after the fight.

And before he did it, he took an illegal IV in secret, which the NSAC had no knowkedge of, until THREE weeks AFTER the fight.


So, no.

It does not crap all over it.


Go and educate yourself on the definition of the word - CONTEXT.

 

We were debating.

I debated ALL of your points.

ALL of them.


I did so in good faith.


It is YOU who’s tied himself up in knots, and said that Fury and Joshua were only SOLID fighters.


Come back and refute what I’ve said.


You like giving it out.

But when I turn the tables back on you, you don’t like it, and you look for a way out.


So don’t imply that I’m being the unreasonable one.

 

Manners?

You have told me that Usyk FEASTED on CW bums.


So what manners/respect have you shown the thread??


My behaviour??

I told you that Usyk was outweighed by 50 pounds.

You then completely dismissed it.


Then on your next post, you told me that Cotto had a weight advantage over Floyd.


You’re having a laugh.

 

Numerous guys Floyd beat have deeper resumes including Pacquiao, Corrales, Castillo, Alvarez etc.

Pacquiaos welterweight resume is greater than what Fury or Joshua did at heavyweight even though he spent much of his career at lower weights

Fury and AJ didn't come close to cleaning out their era.

 

1. Nobody has disputed that.

2. That isn’t what we’re debating.

 

A Tyson Fury who beat ? His only good win is a faded Klitschko and he ducked the rematch, context. He was getting punched up by fringe gatekeeper level Otto Wallin, drew with the least skilled champion of all time getting dropped a total of 4 times in all 3 fights, aguably lost to an 37 year old UFC fighter on his debut and won a split decision. Fury was getting outboxed by Cunningham, he was always beatable against Cruiserweights, Usyk didn't beat someone with a stacked resume or even a dominant champion. I certainly wouldn't call Fury a dominant champion, are we going to forget he missed out on 90% of the division ?

If size was the big factor Corrales and Canelo are by far Floyds best wins and one of them is a legit all time great, despite Pacquiao being seen as his best win. As a matter of fact Pacquiao is greater than Usyk

 

Another shocking post.

Another guy who can’t debate in good faith.

Why are you even debating?


So you’re now going to completely denigrate Fury’s resume?

He didn’t have any other GOOD wins??

Really??


His ONLY GOOD win was Wlad??


If size was the big factor?

Floyd had a reach ADVANTAGE over a VERSION of Canelo, who could barely beat Austin Trout.


Usyk was completely outsized in height, reach and weight.


I have told you why Usyk has an impressive win over Tyson.

I have given specific and valid reasons, why that win and others are COMPARABLE to Floyd’s.


I have never said that Tyson was an unbeatable God.

I never said that he was a dominant champion.


I just gave you my very valid reasons, as why Usyk has comparable wins, if you were to apply context and look at many other relevant factors.


Now either debate me in good faith, or move along.

 

Okay I'm struggling to see how Fury and Joshua are great wins given their very poor resumes and many poor performances not to mention Joshuas losses to Dubois and Ruiz. I don't get why Usyks heavyweight wins are being so hyped and frankly I'm not sure the guys he fought at heavyweight are better than the guys he would have faced had he stayed at cruiserweight

Even the size argument isn't compelling because we have yet to see Fury or Joshua fight a smaller man of ability aside from Usyk himself. They haven't beaten an Opetaia or Breidis level smaller man

 

So I'm not debating in good faith because I'm not being dishonest ? Virtually everything i said is fact, it's up to the agenda how those facts get interpreted

 

I didn’t say that they were some magical wins.

I said that they’re very good wins, and certainly comparable to Floyd’s, as none of Floyd’s best wins came against guys who were prime.


I have said that Floyd rates higher.

That Floyd has a deeper resume.

That’s what I’ve said.


However, because Floyd beat a faded and injured Manny, an inactive, end of career Oscar, and a pre-prime Canelo at an unnecessary C-W etc, then Usyk’s best wins are certainly comparable.

That is what I’ve said.


Neither AJ or Fury were the second coming of a prime Ali.

However, they were both very good HW’s, who have beaten good fighters, and who between them, cleared out a DECENT HW division.


Usyk then came along, in his mid 30’s, where he moved up and beat them twice each, where he gave up height, reach, weight and power.

He used his skills to beat bigger and awkward fighters, who were motivated and in form.


Do you understand that??


How many times was Floyd completely outsized in height, reach and weight?

How many times did Floyd fight a very difficult stylistic fight?


This is not a prime for prime P4P comparison.


A prime Oscar was better than AJ.

A prime Manny was levels above.

A prime Marquez was better.


But that’s not what we’re comparing.


What I’m comparing, is the best wins of Usyk, to the best wins of Floyd’s, where we look at the SPECIFIC versions of the guys who Floyd fought.

And that’s because there’s an asterisk for almost all of Floyd’s best wins.

That is why they’re comparable.


A very quick example:

Fury

JMM


Again, Usyk fought a motivated Fury, who gave him a tough stylistic fight due to his awkwardness, where he gave up height, reach and 50 pounds in weight.

Whereas Floyd dragged up a 36 year old LW, where he dragged him up TWO divisions, before then deliberately cheating him on the scales.

So: Floyd completely outsized him, in a fight which was an easy stylistic match up for him.


Do you understand what I’m saying?


Due to various CIRCUMSTANCES, Usyk’s best wins are COMPARABLE to Floyd’s best wins.


Nobody is saying that AJ is better than Canelo and Manny etc.

Only that due to various factors, which I have broken down in detail, they’re comparable.


That is all that I’ve said.

 

You literally said that Tyson only has ONE GOOD win.

You have also completely ignored every relevant factor that I have put forward.

So what is the point in debating you?

You don’t want to debate.

 

How highly do you rate Wilder, Wallin, Cunningham and Chisora ?

Those are legit his best names after Wladimir

 

So they’re not even GOOD wins now??

They don’t even constitute as being GOOD??