Who ranks highest all time Hopkins, Mayweather, Pacquiao or Usyk ?

Whilst I get your point and I generally agree, he was already past his prime when he won his first world title at HW, and was 37 when he became undisputed in a weight class full of these giants who can punch holes in castle walls.

And he's already the 8th oldest HW champion of all time, the 2nd oldest undisputed one, and in seven months he leapfrogs up to being the 5th oldest HW champion of all time and the oldest ever undisputed one so he can't add much more depth and if he were to lose at this age or older, just one loss. these exact same clowns will absolutely crucify him for it on a molten cross and claim his legacy has taken a massive hit and hold it up as evidence that he was never that good or could ever beat any of the greats of previous generations, especially the North American ones. That's how high they set the bar for him whilst simultaneously believing he's inferior

Notice how my points regarding Usyk not cherrypicking, ducking, trying to weaken or cripple his opponents at the negotiating table, being an extremely clean fighter who wins his fights via the use of purse skills, and not refusing to do drug testing with certain agencies

And not being a PED cheat like so many of these other multiple weight 'greats' who jacked themselves full of PEDs to help them bridge the gap to become multiple weight champs, or being involved in a suspected PED use scandal etc. all gets completely ignored?

Why would any fair-minded person ignore all that and just sweep it under the carpet? That stuff matters and it matters big. He has accomplished everything he has the hard and noble way on a playing field that was stacked against him or at worst neutral. He ran the race on foot from start to finish, no jumping in a car or on a bike for part of the race.

 

Usyk has fought more savage punchers and legit bangers than any other current champ, a whole bunch much or way bigger than him, but he has never been really hurt by a head shot, let alone wobbled and badly hurt and very nearly dropped, dropped or knocked out

And he throws a lot more punches at CW and HW than Floyd did at 147 which obviously leaves him more open to being hit

A CW/HW throwing a lot or way more shots than a welterweight.

Now even though this is incredibly rare throughout boxing history what we do here is we try to find any excuse we can to try and rationalize why that is and to prove his vast inferiority

Could we attribute that to him having an Iron chin? Amazing defence? A mix of both?

Nah, he has a fairly decent chin and decent defence and he's just been incredibly lucky. That's what it is. Definitely. For sure. No question about it

 

I might have done a breakdown on that before, as in some of the fighters he beat in the amateurs and their accomplishments. I've definitely listed a whole bunch of big punchers he fought in the ams/WSB and of course pros if not.

Quite a few turned pro, and even now two of the guys he beat or is 2-1 against at worst are reigning world champions at very advanced ages at LHW and CW. Beterbiev being the most obvious one who like Usyk is undisputed, and the other being Badou Jack. But the vast majority didn't.

There's a lot of talent which could've translated to the pros, especially from that part of the world and Cuba, and I mean even fighters who didn't medal at major tournaments, but they just stayed in the amateurs or gave the sport up in order to find regular jobs. I've been a big fan of amateur boxing for a long time (albeit not as much now as I used to be). Hence why I've been a fan of Usyk's long before he turned pro

Yeah, it's much more common with fighters from the former Soviet Union and Cuba who obviously had deep ties with the Soviet Union too

 

I get that and part of me does too

But if these people want to see more and demand he needs to achieve more in order to be ranked alongside other greats then they need to stop conveniently ignoring the fact he didn't turn pro until way way later them and stop pretending that certain fighters or types of fighters are in their prime in their mid-late 30s which he hasn't been for years and that when they lose at the same age, older or much older than their favs they're still in their primes and a solitary loss is legacy crushing and undoes all their achievements.

You know at an age or even younger when the fighters they worship from previous eras and consider him vastly inferior to (yes they do and make no mistake about that even if they praise him and pretend to rank him higher than they actually do in order to give the appearance of being fair and objective lol) they deem well past theirs or shot

And that includes the multiple weight greats who, unlike him, jacked themselves with PEDs (or were embroiled in PED scandals) in order to become multiple weight champs all of which they also conveniently ignore.

Hell, if Usyk got caught drinking a cup of mild coffee before a fight they would crucify him on a molten cross, let alone with an IV hanging out of his arm and disturbingly low and dead giveaway highly suspicious T/E levels among other red flags, or even worse actually testing positive for PEDs/steroids all of which we're not supposed to mention

And stop ignoring all the other stuff I said too (him never trying to weaken or cripple opponents at the negotiating table, being an extremely clean fighter, in complete contrast to some of these other greats mentioned here and so many others, especially from across the pond, fighting religiously on a deck stacked against him or heavily stacked against him or on the road which they never did once not on one stacked or heavily stacked in his favour.

I shouldn't even have to bring any of this up it should all be automatically factored in by them but we sure as hell know they never will and you have to ask yourself why that is. And even worse they know damn well I'm right too

FTR, I'm not directing any of this at you