Who ranks highest all time Hopkins, Mayweather, Pacquiao or Usyk ?

I do agree with lots of this, I’ve often said usyk is the perfect proof that the big fights can be made if the fighter is willing to. I honestly believe he is one of (if not, the) easiest people to deal with. (Maybe because of the below).
He still boxes as a sport, with a desire to achieve instead of earn. (Bad part is he probably gets paid way less than is fair-but he accepts that to achieve)

unfortunately it is usyk who often has to “swallow” in the deals to complete a deal.
Or that could be due to him not being a native English speaker (which dominates our sport) so he is usually the “b” side and fully accepts that.

At the negotiation table, he is clearly a breeze to deal with. is this because of his desire to achieve, or understanding he is the “b” side and his only way up is through beating all the “a sides” and gaining recognition.
either way, he is getting deals done and beating everyone quite easily (I gave fury 3 rounds in the second fight)

 

Floyd
Pac
Usyk
Hopkins

 

I didn’t think they were close at all.
I also agree, his team, Alex, Egis etc are all our class. I dislike the business dealing style of greedy belly, I find it crass and not to be believed.

I know fury wasted a lot of usyk time, I think it’s one of his specialist areas. He messed all 4 of his rivals around for years, leaving them uncertain if the fight will proceed or not which surely must unsettle a person and derail their devotion. Wlad, wilder, AJ and usyk have had years of their careers wasted by greedy belly messing them about.

 

Potential and actual accomplishments are often very difficult

Obviously Usyk hurt his pro legacy by turning pro far too late but he's also hurt himself by fighting infrequently, fighting rematches rather than new opponents and facing guys like Chisora and Bellew he shouldn't have bothered with in the first place.

Usyk isn't the first or the last guy to fall short of his potential though

What if Ali didn't lose 3 years to Vietnam
What if Lewis wasn't ducked by Bowe/Tyson
What if Sanchez lived longer
Etc

 

Pacquiao just because of the 5 weight lineal and 8 weight championship.. Better boxer of the generation is obviously Floyd.

Pac or Floyd on top
Usyk next
Hop at last.

 

It's not like Pacquiao went up in weight and cherry picked his way to some title belts.

 

Nobody is penalising them Serge.

However, you do not know the specifics of those amateur stats.

You do not know who they all fought, and the specifics of the fights. The difficulty, or the intensity etc.

For all you know, some of them might have been like a gym spar. You simply don’t know. You can’t account for all of his fights.

You also have no idea what those 3 guys would have achieved had they have turned pro years earlier.

Yes, they could have had great 50 fight type resumes, where they’d won many titles etc.

Alternatively, they could also have had a few losses each too.

We don’t know.

We don’t know how those guys would look with 50 fight resumes, instead of their actual current ones.

There’s no way of knowing if they’d be badly burnt out at this point.

It’s all guesswork.

 

An artist?

Have a word with yourself.


BS!

I have never debated you regarding PEDS.


I don’t condone any fighter taking PEDS.

The only thing that I don’t agree with regarding Roy, is the ludicrous belief that he took them his whole career, but then just suddenly stopped taking them, where he then turned to rubbish.

That theory is utterly ridiculous.

 

Again, Usyk hasn’t got the depth that Floyd has.

But again, many of top wins are comparable.

Absolutely.


Again, most of Floyd’s wins have great name value. But again, most of them weren’t in their prime.

And that makes a HUGE difference here.


So what if Tyson Fury nearly lost to an MMA fighter?

He obviously just took the cheque, and had zero motivation for that fight.


So what if Joshua had lost to Ruiz?


Cotto had been bashed up by Manny and Marg before Floyd fought them.

Oscar had been beaten by Hopkins, and was at the end of his career, where he’d barely fought in 3 years.

Manny had been iced by JMM.

Shane was badly faded, where he couldn’t even beat Mora.

Canelo could barely beat Austin Trout.


Anybody can look at the fights in that same way.


Usyk fought a motivated Fury who outweighed him by about 50 pounds.

He beat AJ x 2, who was the 2nd best HW in the world.


Those wins over AJ and Fury, are as great as any win by Floyd.

A win over Breidis, was on the level of wins over Hatton and Corrales etc.


Again, Floyd has a deeper resume.

But in terms of quality, his wins aren’t superior.


They would have been had he have beaten PRIME versions of Cotto, Canelo, Manny, Shane and Oscar etc.

But he simply didn’t do that.

 

Oscar.

Considering that he barely beat an inactive, end of career version.

 

I lived through the era my good man.

People like to try and rewrite history.


Joe was a great fighter in his own right, but he’s massively overrated today.

He had no ambition for the majority of his career.


He spent years whining to the media, and portraying himself as a victim, who was desperate for career defining fights, but couldn’t get any of them over the line.


The truth is this:

He was happy doing what he was doing, and he made zero effort to change his circumstances/standing.

 

This guy’s something else isn’t he.