Who ranks highest in the ATG list? roy jones, hopkins or calzaghe.

i'll check my inbox and see if I still have the message you sent me saying you were a woman (won't be today though)
until this very post, I had no idea of course - but how embarrassing (now that you've admitted it) that you would actually do that!
you just lost those aces...

if I still have it, i'll send it to you privately and that will be that
I have no wish to embarrass you, but maybe you won't take liberties online again so fast next time :good

 

Anyone who rates Calzaghe above Roy and Hopkins is obviously a deluded UK fanboy. Yeah he retired undefeated but so what....a lot of HOF guys could've retired undefeated if they cherry picked the way Calzaghe did.

 

all three ducked more opponents than they did punches

hopkins sucked all the enjoyment out of almost every fight he ever had.

roy jones was a safety first bore of a fighter circle circle potshot till the bell saved us all.

joe calzaghe couldnt even throw a punch properly

 

you want to start a new topic, start a new thread where you will be duly schooled.

you have been schooled massively on this thread topic. the proof is in the poll, end of.

now off you go to create more alts, some female maybe, to desperately change the poll result.

 

That is a tough question. I voted Hopkins due to his longevity. I guess though he was never an ATG, more a HOF. All time great when I think more about it has to do with how you perform at a certain point in your career, which makes you, then, the best of all time. Pacman in that regard is more an ATG then Floyd. So I guess Roy Jones could be also considered more an ATG at his prime then Joe or Grand'pa Hopkins.

 

I wonder if you have become punch drunk atsch. You wont find anything and have never seen anything that will back up your new outlandish claim. Only thing you will be able to do is lie and make something up. First bit of proof is how you said it wont be today .
I recall how you claimed I made a bare back comment, and when I pressed you for what you were going on about, said I must have been drunk when I wrote it :nut. Your a looney who imagines things .
What do you think I have admitted? You seem to be confusing yourself here?? Further down the spiral you go and further high points for me on your next schooling

 

Once again Herol you have pulled another duck.
Where have I been schooled in saying Jones wasnt the man in every division he won world titles in? Looks like you are trying to prolong your own self pwnage again :yep

 

I have no interest in your new topic that you are repeatedly and desperately trying to turn this thread into. NOONE has interest in it. So you've just pwned the whole of ESB through boring them into indifference - in baileyworld anyway - ha.

now go do what you are best at, make some more alts, you clearly haven't made enough to swing the votes on the poll yet, calzaghe is way behind the real atgs.

 

How is it a new topic? We are discussing ATG lists with 3 certain fighters and 2 have been the man in the divisions they have won world titles in and the other hasnt. Should this not be assessed in their credentials? Of course it should. This is a HerolDuck at its finest. Self pwning, thats Herol

 

Although Prime for Prime I think Jones beats up on the other 2, if I had to put them in chronological order as far as All Time rankings go it would have to be:

Hopkins
Jones
Calzaghe.

What Hopkins has done since his mid 30's--specifically since beating Tito Trinidad in 2001 is nothing short of amazing and has truly enhanced his overall resume allowing him to surpass Jones in the ATG rankings.

Joe Calzaghe is no slouch either, but him being sequestered for the majoirty of his career in England fighting primarily mediocre/tomato can fighters limits his overall ranking and makes it almost impossible to have him slated higher than Jones. Definitely no way you can have Joe C ranked higher than Hopkins.

I recently thought of Hopkins' accomplishments the past 2 decades, and I'm starting to think the guy deserves to be ranked somewhere between 30-40 in the ATG rankings. He had such a lengthy, dominant reign at MW, he beat up on P4P guys who were supposed to pulverize him (i.e. Pavlik, Tarver,) and he was also the undisputed kingpin for a while at LHW.

Impressive resume and it's safe to say out of the 3 guys mentioned, Hopkins resume is clearly the strongest.

 

You're discrediting THAT version of Tito Trinidad, who was a -500 favorite going into the Hopkins fight at MSG.

Tito was a large WW and he still had a good amount of power as he went up in weight. At THAT specific juncture, he was an undefeated champion and one of the very best P4P fighters in the sport.

And Kessler is not THAT big of a win. granted he was undefeated when he lost to Calzaghe and he was thought to be the second best SMW in the division, but who exactly did he beat up to that point when he took on Joe C that made him so great? What Andrade?

Kessler is a good fighter, nothing more, nothing less. He has the heart of a champion, pretty good technical ability, but he's no stalwart and I don't think he's HOF worthy either. The SMW tourney showed him for who he is: a middle of the row SMW contender.

 

Compare what both had done and where they were.
Trinidad was having only his 2nd MW fight
Kessler was a unified defending champ

Trinidad at MW (where the fight was and where it matters) had only beaten Joppy and with that there was a glove wrapping query
Kessler had beaten 3 time and reigning WBC champ Beyer, WBA champ Siaca, Mundine who had been a SMW champ and would be again after the defeat, former SMW champ and world rated Lucas, former SMW champ Thobela, yet you note just undefeated Andrade? I guess you didnt know the division too well?
Tell me what has Tito done at MW?
Then tell me what has Kessler done at SMW?

 

Anyway, I rank Hopkins so highly because of his entire resume, that has nothing to do with H2H. The things that he's been able to do at such an advanced age is nothing short of spectacular.

Now if we're talking H2H, I don't favor anyone over a prime ROy JOnes Jr. I live in NY, so I was fotunate enough to go to one of his fights back in the 90's at Radio City Music Hall and witnessed his greatness first hand. From 160-175, there is not one fighter that I'd favor over him in a H2H matchup and that includes ATg's like Archie Moore, Mickey Walker and the great Ray RObinson.

It sucks that during JOnes' absolute prime, the level of competition wasn't that good. It's no fault of his own, he can only beat the guys that are put in front of him, but he won the majority of the times in magnificent fashion. In my eyes, Jones is the most gifted and athletic boxer to ever lace up a pair of gloves.

 

I know the SMW division very well, I've been following boxing for almost 30 years now. Half the names under Kessler's resume that you mentioned are mid-tier. Mundine was pretty good in his younger years, but he wasn't a world beater either.

You have to be honest with yourself and put things into the proper context as far as that specific period when Kessler and Joe C fought; the SMW division at THAT time was one of the weakest and most diluted in its relatively short history.

And to backtrack on your previous post, wins over Tarver and Pavlik are better than wins over Kessler and Chris EUbank. I'm not even going to delve into an in-depth reasoning behind my statement because there's absolutely no need to.