Who rates higher all time Jeffries or Dempsey?

What for?

 

Good show, Janitor. Sorry I couldn't get back to you sooner.

Dempsey has some strong points, and you hit them. The best is the win over Sharkey, who was on a roll.

I think two things are lacking on his resume. One is a truly marquee victory. Willard and Sharkey are both so-so heavyweight champions. Willard comes down to one impressive win over a great old champion in a bizarre finish fight. Sharkey was very erratic and only got the title on a questionable decision. Carpentier and Levinsky also don't rate that highly among light-heavy champions.

I think most top twenties at heavyweight or light-heavyweight or p4p put together by reputable raters would not include anyone Dempsey defeated, with the possible exception of Tommy Gibbons at light-heavy.

But Tunney, Wills, and Greb usually appear on such lists. Tunney on all three. Wills at heavy. Greb on p4p and sometimes at light-heavy. So not beating these men clearly hurts badly.

To balance this out a bit, Dempsey was a great puncher and his wins over his best opponents, Gibbons aside, were by KO. That does count on the scale for him. He also has decent depth of resume and longevity, but is not outstanding in either, nor in consistency.

Just on marquee victories, here would be my reading of the heavyweight champions to Patterson, considering both top 20 heavyweight and light-heavyweight and p4p opponents

Corbett--Sullivan
Fitz--Corbett
Jeffries--Fitz
Hart--Johnson
Johnson--many, let's say Langford
Willard--Johnson
Tunney--Greb, Dempsey
Schmeling--Louis, Walker
Sharkey--Schmeling, Wills
Baer--Schmeling
Braddock--Baer
Louis--Baer, Schmeling, Conn, Walcott
Charles--Louis, Walcott, Moore
Walcott--Charles, Johnson
Marciano--Louis, Walcott, Charles, Moore
Patterson--Moore

I might be unfair, but I think comparing these wins to those of Dempsey, he really doesn't rate highly when it comes to the top opponents he defeated, although he certainly rates ahead of many of these men for overall career.

 

That doesn't make it scientific, or necessarily accurate. You can credit it. I don't.

 

But Jeffries had a 39 lb weight advantage.

 

If Greb was said to be the number one or two most voted for you'd praise it.

 

"I asked if Fitz was prime for Jeffries"

And I replied it doesn't matter because he was a better fighter than anyone Dempsey defeated.

"wall of text"

Yes. I gave my in-depth view of why the premise of your question is misleading.

"I don't care if past prime Robinson beat Bobo Olson."

I do. Live with it.

"if you aren't fighting how can you lose"

And my reference was to nine years, during which Fitz had 41 fights.

 

the inaccuracy of what can be checked.

 

"You've waved the white flag"

Hardly. None of my opinions have changed.

"I already told you to **** off."

You can lose your cool, but I will never genuflect to your opinions

Give me facts and logical deductions from the facts to discuss and I will discuss them.

 

That is a good point on a p4p consideration.

 

Don't assume for me. I make up my own mind. Frankly, I am more interested in which fighter did what than any poll of what people supposedly thought of all this.

Have you ever seen a poll of the general public on the best presidents?

I don't respect such a poll in anything like the way I respect a poll of historians or political scientists. It is only really valuable for the most part in showing how little the general public knows about American history.

 

I wasn't assuming but I'll do as I please.

 

Jeffries weighed 40 lbs more than Fitz and beat him. You don't think that should be taken into consideration? Some sources say he weighed 65 lbs more. You don't think this was in any part responsible for knocking Fitz down 4 times?

 

That made no sense but okay.

 

That's false. Gibbons would have beat that version of Fitz.

You ducked it. You knew the answer was no so you ducked it. Why not just be straight forward with people?

Sounds like your used to mama and papa spoon feeding you and telling you you're special. Reality check: You're opinion doesn't matter to me.

That's cool. Jeffries had 21+ fights in 9 years. Still wasn't prime for Johnson.