who REALLY is the greatest middleweight?

D.t. If you are so irrational,and so full of hate against "white society", why the hell are you
posing on a computer that was invented by caucasians ? Every darn thought you pose is full of misguided bitterness. How long can a boxing forum exist with racial garbage
spewing from you.? You don't like Greb, fine. But lil ole Harry ,though "white" gave so many black and dangerous fighters matches,where they were able to earn some bread
in very difficult times. He was a MAN. You are a misguided flame-thrower. Now back to
what this darn forum is about. Boxing opinions ...

 

For whatever it's worth, Nat Fleischer's all time rankings of the greatest boxers in each of the classic eight divisions had blacks at the top of half of them, Johnson at HW, Barbados Walcott at WW, Gans at LW and Dixon at BW.

Langford was his number seven heavyweight, the only non-champion he listed in that top ten, just under Louis. Granted, most of his all-time selections were not of African descent, but the heavyweight on top was, and again, he gave the number one slot to such a choice for half of the divisions rated.

 

1. Hagler
2. Monzon
3. Robinson

 

I agree with the others saying that we should focus on the middle weight records of the men in question. Although Greb's achievements at higher weights (e.g, LHW) are commendable, I'm not sure that they should automatically render him above other greats like Monzon or Haggler.

With regards to film, it is unfortunate that there really isn't any concerning Greb. That said, I'm not going to dismiss him solely on that basis, but I am going to be careful when considering the possibility of bias in the reporting by his contemporaries. Just looking at some of the coverage in the media today would have you convinced that fighters like Pacquiao (and I am a huge Pacman fan) would beat a grizzly bear in a fight, hell two grizzly bears at once.

Personally, I like Haggler for middleweight because of his long title run, his dominance in that run (in general) and his overall skill set and toughness. Of course, he probably benefits from the fact that we actually CAN assess him reasonably objectively (or as objectively as anything in boxing can be assessed) because of all the footage that we have of him. Am I saying that Greb sucks? Definitely not. As others have pointed out, Greb did get those wins and those wins are impressive. I definitely rate Greb higher than Haggler p4p.

 

Troll, just ignore him.

 

SQ,knowing that we can never match Harry Greb with a Marvin Hagler, for obvious reasons,we can only deduce what they accomplished decades apart.
You respectfully imply that you like Hagler as your top middleweight on one hand, and conversely rate Harry Greb as the better P4P fighter. Is that logical
thinking.? We know from his record and his deeds in the ring Harry Greb was the best middleweight of his era. We know that he was CAPABLE of going
after the big boys,like Gene Tunney, Gibbons, Loughran, Dillon, Levinsky,
Gunboat Smith, Maxie Rosenbloom ,Bill Brennan, Billy Miske ,Kid Norfolk etc
and whipping them all. Do you not realize what such a feat as this required ?
Marvin Hagler was a marvelous and tough middleweight, who never took on
light heavyweights of his time,again and again,as Harry Greb did. Why?
Because great middleweight that Hagler was,he knew he would be clobbered by the likes of Mathew Franklin, Spinks, and other much bigger and stronger men.Marvin Hagler ,was no Harry Greb, for the simple reason ,no one was like the Pittsburgh Windmill ! A Greb, Fitz, Langford, Walcott, Armstrong
were men apart from other great fighters. They took on EVERYONE. Cheers..

 

This. End of thread.

 

Dumb mother****ers... the whole lot of you.



If you ****s didn't overrated Greb so much, maybe I'd give him more credit.

 

Greb was great, but he wasn't much of a puncher.
Fitzsimmons and Ketchel were considered greater middleweights largely due to their punching power.
Yes, newspaper reports and decisions are somewhat unreliable sources, but there's no good reason to think Greb always benefited from crooked verdicts. The "white bias" think doesn't stand up since most of his best opponents were white too.

I believe Fitzsimmons was the greatest, IF it's true that he weighed 158 whilst knocking out several top heavyweights. I mean, Fitz knocked 'em cold.

 

Hagler would maul Greb in less than 5 rounds.

Hearns would do the same.

As would Robinson.




Even ****ing Julian Jackson and Gerald McClellan would beat Greb.




It's a har dpill to swallow for white supremacists, but you have to face it.

 

You know what´s so funny about insults? That they say more about the person who spits them out than about the people who are supposed to receive them. :thumbsup

 

Who really cares though about what credit you give him?