Who really won Floyd Mayweather vs Jose Luis Castillo 1

Every one accepts it, the judges decision is always the official result.

However there are many occasions when watching a fight that one can disagree with the judges, it isn't about what's reliable, it's about what you personally believe as this is a subjective sport. You personally don't always agree with a judges scorecard.

However, dismissing every score in favour as someone who doesn't understand scoring is incredibly pompous. Especially when one of those was Lederman, a man who literally made a career out of scoring fights.

 

It happens to be the single most discussed decision in the history of boxing message boards and, not coincidentally, the vast majority of posters dislike Mayweather, some going to great lengths to discredit him.

 

I don't know if it is the most discussed decision or not tbh.

Mayweather losing this decision isn't something people have to go to great lengths to see, nor does it discredit him.

Floyd won the rematch clear. This fight was certainly not clear.

 

We aren't going to sit down and discuss each round so I have no idea how you're personally determining your score.

What I do know is that this fight cannot be fairly discussed on a message board without throwing out a ton of poster's opinions due to improper scoring and personal bias. A decent thread for this does exist in the Classic section.

 

I put my rbr on here in my first post on the thread.

Castillo vs Mayweather

I gave Floyd rounds 1 through 4.he moved about the ring expertly, fired off his sniper shots, great jabs to the body, and for the most part Castillo was just chasing him about, very similar to how Corrales did, but not as wide open.

Rounds 5-12 I gave to Castillo (apart from the 8th,i gave Floyd the benefit of the 10-8) as Castillo was able to cut the ring off expertly, outwork Floyd up close and really lands some quality shots.

I think Jose was really unlucky not to retain his title here.

Rounds 5 and 9 were close so I don't wanna shout robbery, but Jose out landed him, landed the harder shots and was clearly the ring general.

Soon as the fight is over Floyd says he had an injury to his shoulder and couldn't throw his punches the way he wanted to. Usually I wouldn't buy an excuse like that, but he went away to have surgery and won clearly in the rematch so maybe there is something to it.

Castillo 114-112

 

5-12, you're inaccurate. What I'm guessing you're doing is crediting Castillo for smothered and partially landed bodyshots and giving Castillo credit for marching forward, whereas Floyd's clean headshots and counterpunching should factor majorly in the scoring.

 

Castillo was landing the cleaner punches though, from 5 onwards, that's the difference. He cut the ring off expertly, backed Floyd up behind the jab, worked him to the body and looked a sensational pressure fighter.

You don't need to guess what I'm going, I've written it down.

But as I said, a whole load of people score the fight for Castillo, an even bigger group accept the fight could be scored for Castillo.

It's wrong of you to suggest every one of those is unable to score fights.

 

I didn't claim that.

 

Vegas cash cow? Floyd made 2 million and Castillo made 1 million for that fight.. And Pac lost to Bradley in Vegas and Del La Hoya lost to Floyd in Vegas.. I know for a fact you know boxing better than that...

 

Castillo won.

 

1. I gave Casillo rounds 6, 7, and 12 on my last viewing and said 5 was close.
--John Keane differed with me on round 9, 11, and 12. 3 rounds.
--Hongtogkam differed on round 5 and 12; and 10 which was scored even not counting the deduction. 3 rounds.
--Roth differed with me on round 11. 1 round.
--Using consensus scoring, I disagreed only on rounds 11 and 12 with the judges. 2 rounds.
--Using consensus scoring, you disagreed with the judges on rounds 5, 8, 9, 10, and 12. 5 rounds

One possible conclusion here is that you score according to different criteria than the actual judges.

Additionally, the judges (and both of us) were unanimous on 6 rounds which would have put Castillo in the hole my two points, making it less likely to score the fight in his favor.

 

Well between you and the judges Castillo has an argument for 5,6,7,9,11,12 with 10 being even.

So using that same logic, even those who score for Mayweather, find enough rounds that can be scored for Castillo.

Which isn't surprising, its a close fight that could go either way.

As I said, you also disagree with judges, this is nothing new.

 

I might have been trolling in my original post that you responded to.

What I'm actually saying is that creating a reasonable card that has Castillo ahead is a minority card and should not, and didn't, represent the boxer who should have won.

Let's say Castillo is 4-2 in the hole and needs to go 5-1 on coinflips to get a win (ignoring 10-10 rounds obv). What are the odds of that happening?

Floyd is the correct winner of this fight and it shouldn't be discussed as a robbery.

 

But it isn't a statistical experiment, it's a fight. A series of 12 3 minute fights that come together to make a beautiful tapestry.

It wasn't a robbery. But there's a very reasonable argument for Castillo, as I said I scored it for him.

I've also scored it for Mayweather in the past.

 

You can argue an 8-4 for Castillo. 7-5 is more common.

Castillo definitely won that fight. He won more rounds and he dominated the championship rounds.