Flurries or speedy combinations have to be counted if they land. Leonard won because his flurries stick, unlike Calzaghe's, but I agree on Hopkins winning. Some people think these punches are ineffective but if you watch Leonard get pushed into the ropes those punches hurt enough to get him out of trouble time and time again. Leonard's combos were the ****.
Good posting by San Rafael... ...I like the way you Leonard lovers are scoring light undamaging flurries at the end of rounds after Ray gets manhandled for the whole round, while he tries stayin' on the bicycle. It's the Marvelous Screwjob.... It's a Hollywood Boxing Office production. It depends on how HBO writes the script... Whenerver somebody lands more meaningless punches, HBO emphasises how the more active fighter, regardless of effectivenness will sway the judges... ...but when one of their "chosen ones" get's more light punches landed on him, the judges clearly are only interested in effective damaging scoring.
hagler won..its the old 'effective agression' thing..same reason hopkins, i think, narowly beat cal.....and im a joe cal. fan....
So people who scored it for Leonard are 'lovers' and those that scored for Hagler are fair minded fight fans? :roll:
Leonard won clearly. Hagler simply didn't throw enough punches and even when he did they didn't land much. I wanted Hagler to win too.
Joe beat Bernard, that fight wasn't even close. Hopkins didn't throw enough punches either.................
Ray knows he stole that fight, I don't know what to tell someone who supports him but doesn't even accept what he knows himself.
Inintially I wanted Leonard to win...when he got in the ring lookin' all nervous, I was worried for him. Then he ran all night, lost me as a fan forever...I already respected Hagler, but he really won me over that night. He did his best to make it a fight, even though he was the only one of the two who came to fight.
Hagler won the fight. But, like Oscar against Tito years later, he bears a modicum of responsibility for not being a little more emphatic about it.
I thought Ray was the man when I was 9 years old, I had Sugar Ray gear. He ran like a ***** all night though, and did some little pitter patter **** at the end of whatever rounds he could. That's like showing up the last 5 minutes of work and steppin in front of the guys who have been working for the last 8 hours when the boss comes around...such trickery is meaningless to anyone with a brain, even a child. ...and it's not that he didn't trade...he didn't even fight. He ran.
You say 'ran', others would say 'boxed on the retreat'. Hagler didn't apply enough pressure those first 4 rounds and it cost him badly. You could tell the Petronellis thought he'd lost going into the last round, their corner work and Haglers tactics were very poor that night.
Boxed on the retreat, is the same as boxing while retreating...those ***** shots Ray threw fooled nobody. The judges had their minds made up before the 1st bell. Hollywood Boxing Office production. I don't support boxers who tell the whole world...look at me, buy this fight...and then run instead of fight. Fighters go forward, unless they can't. All Leonard could do was run from Marvin. If Leonard had any defense that night, he could have used it...who wouldn't have liked to see him block, roll, duck, counter...real defense...but no, he rode the bicycle.
Sorry but that post is nonsense. Plenty of fighters prefer to box on the retreat and it does win rounds, also Leonard was very honest pre-fight that these were going to be his tactics. Plenty of people in this thread seem to have been 'fooled' by Leonards punches, but of course they are all wrong and you are right. atsch