Who Really Won Leonard or Hagler?

That was the first fight I ever saw. I never saw it as running. I saw it as a smaller man that could get hurt outclassing the bigger guy and making him look slow and old. That was back then. Now I see it as a beautiful performance by Leonard. He was on the backfoot but there was no one more graceful and effective than Leonard on the backfoot. The guy was all class.

 

I can't substantiate it any more than you can the judges who scored it for Leonard, that was my whole point.

All you've got to go on is a posting on an internet forum 21 years after the fight took place from someone who may or may not know what they're talking about - that is hardly conclusive evidence.

All I can say is what I saw with my own eyes, and that is that Leonard won the fight clearly. Most observers agree with me, and 2 out of judges agreed with me too. I'm not trying to claim superiority or anything, it's just my opinion. They were 2 great fighters who fought a great fight....people will argue on the outcome until kingdom come but they won't change it.

 

Perfectly put.

 

In a close fight, I'm giving it to the guy that did the most damage.

 

SRL won. I wish I could say otherwise but I can't.

 

Rewatched the fight now, I gotta say it's a tough fight to score. Rds 3, 5, 6, 11 and 12 are all very close. I'm giving SRL rds 5 and 6 but round 3 goes to Hagler. Again it comes down to how you score the last two rds, if you're having them even it's a draw.

 

Acting, and showmanship go to none other than Leonard.

Boxing/fighting.. Hagler.

 

Leonard vs Hagler was a lesser gift for Leonard from the judges as opposed to Leonard vs Hearns. Leonard vs Hearns ranks high on the robbery scale right next to Lewis vs Holyfield I.

Leonard vs Hagler was a close fight and I can see how the judges would rule in favour of Leonard. He was the busier fighter but most of his flurries IMO were pure shoeshine. I honestly think Leonard didn't do near enough to win the fight and a draw would have been the more appropriate decision. Hagler by his own mistake gave away the early rounds and by the time he started connecting, the fight was half over. With that being said, if Hagler had three more rounds he would've won the fight by decision if not by TKO.

 

Its funny because ive seen this fight a couple times now and i have scored for either one on a different night. I think it was a really close fight. Almost to close to even judge.

 

I find it pretty bias to not score shots that clearly score because you say that didn't do any damage. Whether or not you feel that Leonard's shots were really effective, they are scoring shots. If that's the case, nothing Cotto threw on Margarito was worth anything. Lots of fighters land shots that aren't damaging, but they land which translates into a score.

I didn't know we had to rate the damage for a punch to be scored. :roll:

In any case, I thought Leonard won. Personally, I wanted Hagler to win because it was clear he was the one doing the damage. But, you also have to take into account Hagler had a solid beard. It wouldn't be easy to actually hurt him and Leonard was moving up to fight him. I don't think anyone would think Leonard was actually going to hurt Hagler, so scoring based solely on damage would be completely bias towards Hagler.

 

Hagler did the hard tough nitty gritty solid work but had no game plan..

Leonard was flashy and vibrant and used great eye catching moves..

Either way it was close..

I never had an argument, but if Hagler would have gott the decision i wouldn't have complained either...

 

Who do you( plural) think won Round 9??

 

Two things, 1) most people have no idea how to score a professional boxing match, 2) this wasn't close. Clear win for Hagler. If you think that Leonard "clearly" won this fight - in my view you should be embarrasssed. That is my final statement, since you have made yours...

 

Exactly. Couldn't agree more. SRL didn't only showboat and land pitty patt/shoegazer punches like some here claim, he landed a lot of clean, solid shots on Hagler that night, and he did some good bodypunching on his own. Maybe they didn't hurt Hagler much, but they were good hits nevertheless. That's what should be taken into account when scoring rds, who lands more blows and controls the action, not who does more damage. Of course damaging an opponent is important in order to wear him down and eventually knock him down or even stop him, but not primarily in order to win rounds. In a way Hagler was still rewarded by doing more damage in this fight: he slowed SRL down considerably with his bodypunching, SLR was gassed by the middle rds and wasn't able to outbox the much slower Hagler anymore - that's what got Hagler back in the fight in the first place. We wouldn't even be talking about a controversial decision if that wasn't the case. Anyways, like I stated it was a very close fight and I score it a draw.

 

Sugar Nose Leoard's shots were all show. I don't score them if they are not punches, that weak **** was not punching.

Everyone who picked Leonard should have scored Winky vs. Sam Soliman for Soliman then.