Who really won the GGG vs Canelo Fight

This.

The middle 6 rounds are pretty solidly GGG. I felt 2-3 were Canelo's best. 1, 10, 11, 12 you could argue either won. So you could, for argument's sake, give them all to Canelo and have a 6-6 draw. You could even use a biased eye to give one of the middle rounds to Canelo and have him win 7-5 and it wouldn't be an outrageous decision.

On the other hand I could argue the swing rounds were Golovkin's and come up with a 10-2 card for him. There's no ****ing way you can come up with a 10-2 card for Canelo unless you've been at the rat poison.

When I scored it I gave 3 of the 4 swing rounds to Canelo and 1 to GGG and came up with a 7-5 GGG win. You could split those rounds down the middle for a 8-4 Golovkin win, which many have done too.

 

He was punching so fast that we didn't even see all of the shots that he landed

 

I know right! Byrd was right all along, Canelo is too fast, too slick, too Irish, too Mexican.

 

I mostly agree, except for the rd 6. Thought Canelo did the better work in that one.

 

Good stuff! Thanks for sharing. It has been a pleasure to disagree With you and that is one of the reasons I have been coming to this forum for 11+ years. Good points on the front/back foot, as well as parrying. I appreciate the perspective

 

Returning from an inexplicable ban so couldn't register my opinion at the time of the fight. 115-113 GGG in my book. Can't see a case for a Canelo win.

 

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By any objective reasoning, the amount of rounds that Alvarez, could have conceivably won is 4. The truth of the matter is, that by punch stat analyses, or any other type of pure fighting scrutiny Alvarez, should only have won 2 rounds.

 

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Fun breakdown.

 

The Voting on this is like the Fight....Golvkin by Beat Down.!!!

 

As I'm watching this, I can't help but notice how this guy was citing Compubox numbers exclusively as his reasoning for Triple G winning. 8:16 "but he did In Fact outland Alvarez overall 218 punches to 169".

"See there's a lot of guys that want to make the argument that Canelo should have been the victor or that this was a draw because Canelo landed cleaner shots"

"...But on further review Canelo actually only landed 4 more punches than Golovkin did" "So what do you think the outcome of this fight should be determined by 4 punches? . . . instead of 49 jabs?"

9:25 "at the end of the day you only landed 4 more power punches than he did. . . but you were moving backwards . . . he was coming forward"

This is what we were talking about in the other thread about how how many fans use these Compubox numbers to actually make an argument for a guy winning. This is a perfect example of that. Now BCS8, you’re a smart guy right, see in the other thread how many people came in and tried to argue that these numbers can’t be trusted and all that, but here we have a guy basically using these clearly misleading numbers as the crux of his argument as to why Canelo didn’t win “or even draw” lmao.

I wish I could ask this guy “does the 218-169 advantage include the 18 punches Golovkin was given in Round 5 after only having 9 punches landed with only 15 seconds left in the round?” I mean for all we know that could drop Glolovkin’s power punches from 110 to 104 or something and all of a sudden Canelo has a 10 punch power punch advantage.

He literally used Punch Stats to counter the argument that Canelo landed more clean punches. I’m glad I watched this video as it is the perfect example to what we were talking about as to why Punch Stat anomalies like the stats from the 5th round are so misleading.

 

GGG

 

I had GGG just but at the end I really thought it was a toss up who would get it.

 

OK here's my position. Initially, I felt that the Compubox numbers were conservative - for both guys.

Artorias did a breakdown that counted the punches and he came up with much lower numbers, although he had GGG outlanding Alvarez 2-1.

I watched 3 rounds (10, 11 and 12) in slomo and I was actually quite surprised that punches that I'd scored for both guys the first time round in fact were slipped, parried or bounced off gloves. Both Canelo and GGG actually have superb defence, you just don't realise how good they are in real speed.

I still had Golovkin outlanding Saul though, even though it wasn't by the 2-1 margin that Artorias posted.