Who really won the GGG vs Canelo Fight

He made Canelo come to him; he made Canelo miss and caught him lunging in. He landed the bigger shots in #2 and he again outworked him.

 

That's not a factual statement. Canelo clearly outworked GGG in the rematch by landing significantly more heavy power punches. GGG was a much more active jabber, but that doesn't translate to outworking an opponent. It requires less energy to pump a jab from an upright base than it does to dip down with upper body movement and load up on power punches. The bigger shots in the rematch, outside of perhaps that brief flurry by GGG in round 10, were landed by Canelo.

 

Canelo landed marginally more power punches and most of them were to the body and had little effect. Golovkin landed a ton more punches to canelo's head, and that's a fact.

Yes it does.

Golovkin's jabs are exceptionally heavy and have been compared to power punches by guys that have been hit with them. He has scored KD's and KO's with his jab before. It's significantly harder to land punches to the head than to a large target like the body.

No they weren't and it was Canelo that was visibly hurt in the rematch and not GGG.

 

You're kidding yourself. Canelo was more visibly hurt? Who was the one huffing and puffing constantly as rounds winded down? Who's cheeks were bright red like a tomato by the middle rounds? Who's face was more visibly marked and beaten up by the end?

Take a look at the huge right hand over the top that Canelo landed in Round 5 with 2:05 on the clock. GGG was visibly hurt from that, he started taking deep breaths after that and started fighting more cautious and looked discouraged. This happened in many of the rounds, you know full well that Canelo landed more heavier power shots on GGG while GGG landed more jabs. Also while Canelo was outlanded in the jab department, in many rounds like as I pointed out in Round 5, Canelo landed the far more heavier, clean jabs. Many of GGG's jabs were blocked or slipped by Canelo.

GGG did land those couple of heavy shots in the 10th, but that was just one moment in one round. In nearly all the other rounds, GGG got blitzed and rocked far more often. Tons more sweat flying, head snapping back power shots, including hard jabs, were landed by Canelo than GGG round after round.

 

Try watching the actual fight:

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instead of the one in your imagination.

 

See @ 17:40 in your video.

 

GGG clearly won the first.

The second was very close, a draw would be fair.

 

And @BCS8 listen to the comment at that timestamp by Roy Jones : "Canelo is doin someting to Triple G that Triple G has never seen before, Jim. He's constantly stalking him, like that" (the big right hand) "Triple G is not used to this type of a fight, Trust me".

Is Roy Jones watching the fight in his imagination too BCS?

 

Middle of round 5:

Max : "Roy it almost looks like Triple G's gonna have to do something to change the momentum of this fight"
Roy : "He is, or he's gonna run out of gas cuz it looks like he's fading fast."

According to Roy, it looks like G's fading fast midway through that 5th round @BCS8.

 

Do I need to find Canelo's trainer asking him in panic if he's alright after Golovkin bombarded the **** out of him? What if I find another commentary team that is as pro-GGG as these guys are pro-Canelo? Would that change your mind? Use your eyes.

 

I don't disagree on anything you said.... I just along with the majority that he worked harder and won more rounds. More pts for aggression although Canelo showed good defence.

 

Lmao this is just getting embarrassing. Did I also see you quote compubox earlier? As if it wasn't the most inaccurate piece of **** ...if you take any conclusions from compubox you're opinion should be immediately discounted. It's just plain inaccurate.

Below I've listed all punches that land of significance. I also listed several areas where Canelo did not land as he expels a lot of air whilst punching and likes to slap with the inside of the glove. I'll summarise at the end.

Round 6

Golovkin:
2:22 - clean jab, more of a pointer, rocks C head back but isn't that powerful
2:09 - clean jab to the face, rocks head back, more powerful than the first for sure
2:03 - clean jab, hard to see, but lands
1:56 - short uppercut, not significant power
1:43 - clean right hook, hand behind the guard, cleanest/hardest punch of the round currently
1:25 - clean right hand down the pipe
1:18 - probing jab, two probing right hands, nothing of significance..coudl arguable score the first jab, but not a damaging blow
1:15 - scuffing left hook to the side of head, lands though
1:06 - right hand, lands but not significant power more of a jab like right hand
1:02 - Golovin lands right hand, followed by a right hand by Canelo...you can debate all day which was harder, however Canelo expels a lot of air whislt throwing
1:06 - Jab lands prior to being parried..clean but not overly powerful
0:48 - two clean jabs for G rock head C back
0:41 - arguable left hook behind guard hard to see
0:37 - counters with a lighter jab
0:22 - Jab
0:11-0:08 - two clean Jabs

Canelo:
2:50 - left hook to back of neck/ear, looks a decent shot, but inside of the glove
2:41 - misses RH
2:38 - LH body, could argue it was low, either way appeared to land on the hip
2:35 - cleanish jab, power taken out by leaning back with it
2:34 - RH does not land
2:28 - left hook to elbow/back of arm
2:06- two jabs, one just out of range, the other parried
1:40 - desperate left hook does not land
1:29 - decent left hook just catches G, bit of a scuffy punch, but lands somewhat (remember Canelo's expelling air)
1:23 - unclear as to whether LH lands cleanly, looks like an inside glove pcunh whilst G partially blocks with elbow...either way it didn't look to have much on it
1:10 - left hook does not land
1:02 - lands a right hand after G right hand as noted above
0:58 - elbow
0:46 - jabs don't land, jab to the chest barely touches
0:41 - hard to see left hook, hits elbow
0:37- clean jab
0:18 - jab then misses slapping combo
Jab at the end

Summary:
Golovkin lands the hardest/cleanest punch of the round at 1:43, cleaner/harder than Canelo's biggest punch of the round at 2:50. ("Harder" is subjective, but punching the chin/jaw is more damaging than inside gloving someone's neck - partially hitting ear). Golovkin outlands in terms of number of punches landed, and cleanliness of punches. Canelo winning the round rests on him landing body shots throughout which most of them don't or are partially blocked. Most of Canelo's hooks to the face are scuffing

Try again. Can anyone properly debate this? Like without having Canelo's nuts in their mouth. Stop being dishonest dude

 

I know this is not a popular choice but i scored the fight a draw.The second fight i scored it to Canelo

 

I went through the 6th round of the rematch again with your timestamps. I've filled in the blanks, with landed punches by Canelo you missed underlined and corrections / notes:

Canelo:
2:56 - jab lands
2:50 - left hook to back of neck/ear, looks a decent shot, but inside of the glove
2:41 - misses RH *it wasn't a right hook, it was a straight right hand. it definitely landed as it made a audible thud on impact and GGG's gloves were down.
2:38 - LH body, could argue it was low, either way appeared to land on the hip *It wasn't low. Right on Belt-line.
2:35 - cleanish jab, power taken out by leaning back with it *No "ish" about it, landed flush, pushed GGG's face in
2:34 - RH does not land
2:28 - left hook to elbow/back of arm
2:17 - Canelo jab parried upwards by GGG but the punch still connected with the top of GGG's head
2:12 - Canelo lands a solid jab through the guard
2:06- two jabs, one just out of range, the other parried. *First one connected, 2nd one blocked, not parried
2:00 hard to tell if it landed due to the camera angle but Canelo may have landed a stiff jab here in between the guard
1:58 After blocking a GGG jab, Canelo counters with a quick left hand body shot.
1:55 left hook to the body
1:40 - desperate left hook does not land *lol "desperate" left hook? are you kidding me, it landed hard and flush below the ear in the neck area
1:34 jab lands to GGG's chin
1:29 - decent left hook just catches G, bit of a scuffy punch, but lands somewhat (remember Canelo's expelling air) *LOL lands somewhat? It hit GGG square in the nose, GGG lost his balance momentarily, great shot
1:23 - unclear as to whether LH lands cleanly, looks like an inside glove pcunh whilst G partially blocks with elbow...either way it didn't look to have much on it *LOL it clearly landed, foureyes, around the elbow. Had plenty on it.
1:14 you missed this one - Canelo jab lands - bounces off GGG's forehead
1:10 - left hook does not land *LOL it might have been partly blocked, but it did appear to land at least partly, it moved GGG. We can't see how clean it landed due to the camera angle. You definitively claim "it did not land" you don't know that, you WANT to believe it didn't land. We can't know for sure due to the camera angle. GGG felt it, it had some mustard on it.
1:02 - lands a right hand after G right hand as noted above
0:58 - elbow *you're probably right here that it hit elbow, but can't see for sure due to camera angle
0:54 Clean jab lands by Canelo, bounces off GGG's forehead. You missed this.
0:46 - jabs don't land, jab to the chest barely touches
0:41 - hard to see left hook, hits elbow *Yes, you're right here, this one hit elbow
0:37- clean jab *great jab here, hard to miss this one
0:35 Canelo lands another clean jab you missed this, GGG responds with a jab that hits just below Canelo's chin
0:22 left hook to body, absorbed partly by upper arm (not elbow)
0:18 - jab then misses slapping combo *the 2-punch combo after the jab, a left then a right, both land to the head
0:09 You totally missed the huge counter right hook by Canelo, lands hard right on the chin as GGG was leaning forward, spectacular punch
Jab at the end

 

GGG's shot with 1:43 on the clock did land hard near the ear around the guard, your argument that it was the cleanest / hardest punch of the round, well, lets see. It got around the glove, and landed with some force, but also didn't land totally clean as it nicked some glove on the follow through.

It was comprable to Canelo's left hook with 2:50 on the clock. Hard to say which one is harder. Was it harder or cleaner than the right hook Canelo landed on GGG's chin with 9 seconds left as GGG was leaning in? That landed clean and hard as well, especially with GGG leaning in. It's debatable as to which of these were the hardest cleanest punch in the round.

I know you scoff at citing Compubox, and I agree with you that it generally can't be relied on, but it is something to reference. It has Canelo landing 7 more punches than GGG this round. Your claim that GGG outlands in number of punches this round has no factual basis. If you compare my timestamp of Canelo's landed punches to your timestamps of GGG landed punches, as it stands Canelo has a lot more landed punches listed with timestamps.

I appreciate your attempt to argue GGG won this round, but I think you're the only person who's ever argued GGG won this round, at least as far as I know. I've gone through the original RBR topic and several other topics of posters sharing their RBR scores, and every poster who's shared their scorecard that I've found thus far had Canelo winning the 6th round.

So you're making an argument that no one on here as far as I know agrees with. If there are some other people who think GGG won round 6 of the rematch, then I would like to know, otherwise you're in the extreme minority on this.