Who sanctioned Gvodzyk vs Doudou Ngumbu

It is to a point, I wholeheartedly agree. But this is a horrific and potentially sadistic mismatch between fighters in pretty much every way possible -- besides intangibles. Size, athleticism, skills, power, IQ, footwork, height and reach, strength. The potential ass whooping the other guy could receive may well be life threatening, ending, or altering. And that's bad for boxing, not a lot of people enjoy watching sadistic and brutal punishment. Or at least I hope. Maybe I'm wrong, if so my faith in humanity as a whole plummets. Besides being boxers, both these guys are HUMAN beings first and foremost.

 

This african is a tough cookie! its not like Oleksandr is fighting a bloke with 10 ko losses, he also has wins over a few decent opposition, he beat muller, laggoune (cw) and smw kongolo, okay none of them are close to contenders, but hes gone the distance with some decent punchers at lhw. it may go further than most expect, it can only help Ngumbus earning potential if he does better than hes expected, hes a tough journeyman. he might be getting a payday of his lifetime.

 

The main question here is "Why is Doudou Ngumbu in the top 8 of the WBC rankings?" Ask/blame the WBC for this, not Gvozdyk/TR.

Then, the logic was quite simple: Marcus Browne and Badou Jack had just fought each other, so they were not ready to fight so soon again. Igor Mikhalkin is maybe marginally better than Ngumbu, and he's a southpaw (as well as Browne, who is planned to be next, as far as I understand) but his style (also post Soviet boxing school) would be nothing new to Gvozdyk. At least Ngumbu clinches (Gvozdyk needs more experience against clinchers before the Browne fight) and he's quite unpredictable (as a lot of those African fighters).
Then Dominic Boesel (#3), Eleider Alvarez (#5), Sullivan Barrera (#6). According to Gvozyk/Klimas, Barrera priced himself out of this fight, in fact. Well, I can't blame him, because it's obviously a low-budget fight (Philadelphia, a small arena, etc.). Blake Caparello (#7).

So, maybe this fight shouldn't have been happening at all, yes... But, they've decided to have a fight after Stevenson and before Browne.

 

The one thing I respected and appreciated the most in British troops through all of my deployments and closely working with them everytime was their restraint and ability to be able to go from being badass MF'er s one moment to empathetic ambassadors the next. One thing us US Marines could never grasp and always made me queasy and cringe even to this day. This is in the context of Afghanistan BTW, long story but much more complex an insurgency than Iraq. To this day it still bothers me a huge deal. Maybe that's the main difference between the Royal Marines and Us Marines: we were conventional infantry while they were more specialized and considered special operations commandos. Maybe the special in that was the class and mental strength it took to continuously exercise such restraint always in the face of adversity. They actually cared about the Afghanis or at least put on one he'll of an acting job, they saw them as being the humans they were and treated them accordingly. Us? Too many incidents to even recall that would be classified as bullying, intimidating, and abuse of power, and usually to innocent HUMANS. Ugh. Gives me chills just thinking about it. I'm actually getting nauseous.

 

Ok. Excellent job in selling me on this. And you had and used the tact normally associated with Brits. Thanks for that.

 

Unfortunately the WBC doesnt have a murderers row waiting go fight Gvozdk until Browne is ready. And that will be interesting. But if you look at the WBC rankings, Doudou is pretty much next in line cuz everyone above has had a fight recently or is scheduled in the comin future. So yea its a bogus fight but next in line

 

Weve been doing it for a long long time.

 

Ya you certainly have, but its more than that. The Brit s always GOT DOWN and banged it out when they needed to. But the disparity in class as human beings and their treatment of other humans while consistently taking casualties, getting ambushed, and not knowing who even the enemy was until being fired upon was peerless, beyond impressive, and got results. We always took the most contact anywhere/everywhere we went, the way we treated others I'm sure is the reason for that. By treati g people the way some of us did, you create even more enemies.

 

I remember reading a very good book on this subject: "Hammerhead Six".

But how on earth is it connected to the Gvozdyk vs. Ngumbu fight, I have no idea...

 

dazn and pbc aren't exactly above these kind of matches themselves.

 

It's a platform building fight. Keep him busy in a fight he is supposed to look good in. Keep the momentum going and build on it.
I don't like it, but it is what it is.

 

What's the book about?

It was in regards to my disdain of bullying, intimidating, abuse of power, and one way violence.

This fight, even though not Gvozdyk's intention, just got me thinking about all that and to me seems like a lot of those very things. Severe violence and one sided beatings and the people who enjoy watching them have never taken part in anything close or if they have are sociopaths no doubt and probably psychopaths

 

"Two years before the action in Lone Survivor, a team of Green Berets conducted a very different, successful mission in Afghanistan's notorious Pech Valley. Led by Captain Ronald Fry, Hammerhead Six applied the principles of unconventional warfare to "win hearts and minds" and fight against the terrorist insurgency."
https://www.amazon.com/Hammerhead-Six-Unconventional-Against-Afghanistans/dp/0316341444

Hey, listen, again, Ngumbu is top 8 in the WBC rankings. Nobody forced him to be there, it's his own decision to be a professional boxer, he's a grown-up man. What's the point of moving up the rankings if you don't want to fight a champion there? Now he has that chance.

Gvozdyk is a very nice guy, he's not a bully.

 

Ahh, I see. Yea, Us Army Special Forces -- "Green Berets" are America and USSOCOM's go-to and subject matter experts at all or most things that encompass Unconventional Warfare and Foreign Internal Defense, and what makes them the perfect and honestly only soldiers America should be sending off to fight in an insurgency, because of all the intricacies and complexities involved. Especially when you deploy conventional troops to these insurgency warzones who are totally hamstrung by our own self-imposed Rules of Engagement. Insanity actually.

I'm sorry, I couldn't properly reply to you're initial post, I was on a subway car and on my phone which had 2% battery resulting in a significant diminishment in my screens display and my ability to actually entirely read your post and some others.

My post you were initially replying and referring to was posted initially by me after reading a post from someone who said something along the lines of: they couldn't wait to see how badly Gvozdyk destroys this guy, this bum doesn't have a chance! it's gonna be brutal! I mean, it seemed to me that I could essentially feel his enthusiasm through my phone in regards to him salivating at the bit and possibly being unable to even wait for the whole thing to commence, sick like ****, like he almost sounded like he would receive sexual satisfaction/gratification if Gvozdyk brutally ended this man's life on international channels and streams. I replied to him curiously wondering if he really felt that way and meant what he said and asked if he had been bullied a lot growing up and beaten up a lot, and I wasn't asking those to try and attack/emasculate/make fun of him, I really was curious and it left me feeling very weird after reading it and then my mind went directly to those experiences I posted.

I was basically thinking out loud that if pressed to, I'd bet all my money he's an American or North American, if I had to guess and bet on it. Every social group, race , religion, and culture has their good people and bad people, and the British aren't exempt from that, but in my many dealings with them in so many different situations, times, places, and over such a long period of time, without a doubt -- Brits generally act with a whole lot more tact, respect, restraint, and class than any other social grouping I've come across. I mean it must be a cultural thing, I dunno, or they are raised with a better definition and understanding of morality and it's framework along with more compassion and empathy than anyone else I could compare them to.

I was coming home from work earlier when I was typing all that, and make a living doing hard and shitty work and always will because I don't have the intellect for it to be otherwise. I should have made the connection and correlation between the first post that left me feeling sick and that I'd bet he was an American or North American and would be shocked if he were a Brit, and the respect, admiration, and appreciation I have for my brothers in arms from the UK who always, ALWAYS carried themselves with great class, exhibited great amounts of restraint, and never lost sight of the fact that in most if not all their interactions that I witnessed with Pashtuns or other afghani's, they too were people and deserve to be treated exactly as any and all other humans.

 

Might not be the best strategy to put Gvozdyk in with a sacrificial lamb type. I don't understand the choice of opponent from a psychological standpoint. Is Gvozdyk going to carry him because he poses almost no threat or because he has been traumatized from the Adonis fight? He has been throwing suspiciously light punches.