Who say's the oldtimers were primitive ?

to be fair, titles or not he beat possibly the best lightweight ever (gans), top 5 welter (walcott), top 10 middle (ketchel), top 10-15 lightheavy (o'brien) and numerous top 20-25 heavies (wills, mcvey). titles would have added to it but his resume is STACKED

 

I thought it was.

I'm not denying that.

Some of the best on film.

But that seemed to be a distinct personal weakness rather than one of the era, do you not think? Otherwise Driscoll would have came out firing the right non-stop. And why wasnt Robson able to do it to Jem?

Good man

I agree with the first bit. I wouldnt say Driscoll was 'textbook' for the era.

Your underselling the combinations work, it was hardly just one shot at a time.

Robson had his hands up and his chin down.

Driscoll lead with the jab loads and landed 3-4 punch combo's throughout to head and body.

fair enough

 

"Old timers were primitive"

Is an excuse most Klit fans use to diminish past greats while trying build up two of the most overrated fighters ever.

Just speaking from my own experiences on here.

 

they look quite impressive on film, but as many others have stated, the oldtimers had glaring flaws.

 

fair points all and i have to admit this debate has given me quite a bit to consider (and quite a bit of footage to watch). Now time to get drunk and watch mystery science theatre with the wife

 

Under what limit? He didn't beat anyone of notice while weighing under lightweight limit.

 

true, he weighed over for gans but not walcott, o'brien, wills, mcvey, etc. (not sure of the scales for ketchel)

 

Arguing that Langford is not an ATG is a fool's errand.

 

The 'old timers' fought in a tougher era. The modern fighters are probably more athletic, take RJJ as a prime example of athleticism over boxing nous. However, the 'old timers' had so much more experience and rarely ducked opponents. In fact, they fought opponents many tines, and ultimately it was the best fighter left standing after a series of bouts.

Boxing today sucks pretty badly. Too many people go into other sports where the money is huge. In boxing there are very few who can make a living and the risks are very high.

The Klits are real clits.

 

Wills was 6'3, 210-215 pounds and in his 20's while Langford was 5'6, a slob above 180 pounds and in his mid 30's.

Does Sam Peter rate over James Toney pound for pound? And I'm not claiming that Peter was as good as Wills.

 

A lot of ducking was going on at all times.