my question to though who feel Mayweather has no chance to be place among some of the upper echelon greats, say he surprises us all and goes for a sweep of all the undisputed/lineal champs from light welter to middle/jr middle in his remaining fights how what effect would that have on where you place him. right now that would look something like. Mathysse/Garcia Bradley/Marquez/Pacquiao? Alvarez/Alvarez-Cotto II Martinez/GGG
Floyd called out Casamayor several times at I believe 130 or 135, that fight couldn't materialize. He called out a prime Mosley who had no interest in fighting Floyd at the time- dental issues came into play I believe. Would've loved to seen him fight Kosta, but they fought on different networks and Floyd campaigned too long at the lower weights while Kosta was in his prime at 140. That woud've been a helluva fight. And Top Rank had zero interest putting Cotto in the ring with Floyd, Arum specifically said in an interview about the possibility of a matchup that the undefeated Cotto was "too green." Once Cotto got out of that promotion, he was able to get the fight. Really the only 3 large fights Floyd didn't have were at WW against Pacman, Margarito and Paul Williams. Paul though had very little marketability behind him and only started getting recognition as a top notch fighter once he beat Margs. At that time, Floyd was in semi-retirement mode. Would've loved to seen him face everyone, but when you're the P4P king, you have to take on guys with some hype/marketability behind them. It's not just all about how good the opposition is, there's a lot more factors that go into obtaining a fight with Floyd.
Pacquiao is the only one IMO. And that is still a possiblilty believe it or not. If Pac annihilates Rios, I guarantee the fight hype will start up and again.
I honestly feel Mayweather didn't care as much at the end of the day about the doping, but he was actually afraid he might lose. Mayweather has more than likely already whipped doped fighters.
Maybe he has. But do you really think he or anyone else would thought that Pac had a problem with taking random blood testing? I mean, talk about fueling the flame of suspicion.
Theres many reasons as to the whys and hows of what fights didn't happen.... but just look at this list of who's who of the fights that didn't happen around Floyd. Prime Cotto Prime Pac Prime Margarito Prime Williams That is a who's who of the major guys at welterweight during Mayweathers era.... Im not saying that its Mayweathers fault that these fights didn't happen, but what Im saying is, there aren't too many great fighters who have so many of the top guys in their era not on their record.
2005? Sure. But this fight was 1st negotiated late 2009/early 2010. Over 4 yrs later. I hope you're not saying that Pac is a mental midget.
As a fan of the sport I understand your argument but I wanna know why do you consider Williams and Margarito huge legacy fights there over all accomplishments for there career is next to nil let alone at welter.
^This Margarito's biggest win was Cotto which very well could have had something to do with a little extra something inside his gloves. Other than that.............what? One good win does not a great fighter make. P. Will biggest win was Sergio. And that fight was extremely close with the victory that could have gone either way. And we all know what happened in the rematch, so..................... These 2 are supposedly the world beaters that Floyd ducked. Anyone who thinks that DKSAB! Yes, I would have liked to see the fights but people need to quit talking about these dudes like their future HOF's. It's not even close.
Williams might be out of place.... But Margarito had quite a good career, better then Judah, Baldomir, Ortiz, Guerrero, and a slew of other Mayweather opponents. Margarito has wins over Cotto, Martinez, Clottey, Cintronx2, and other lesser tier wins (lujan, ect) In fact, when Margarito and Cotto fought eachother, it was THE fight in the division.... and Margarito won it. Theres no way Margarito is not a legacy fight. Now.... that's all true. But whats true too is, that after Margarito beat Clottey, and was starting to move with a lot of momentum, he then lost to Williams. Then, by the time Margarito reached his peak in terms of name value, and when a Floyd fight would have made the most sense, he got knocked out by Mosley.... So, while it sticks out that Floyd never fought him, and yes, Floyd had his chances to, its also true that Margaritos momentum to a big fight with Floyd often got derailed enough to give Floyd a reason (or an excuse, however you want to look at it) to not fight him. But Im not here to bash on Floyd. Im just stating hes got a lot of fights that should of happened, but didn't.
Yes... because Margarito only beat Cotto :roll: If you think Guerrero (gets the fight after beating... Berto, lol), Ortiz (gets the fight after beating.... Berto, lol), Judah (gets the fight after losing to... Baldomir, lol), or a slew of other selected Mayweather opponents have better resumes then Margarito then I don't know what to tell you. Anyone who thinks Margarito has 1 good win doesn't know what their talking about. And regardless, that 1 win should have been good enough to lead into a Mayweather fight, given the context of many other Mayweather opponents. However, there are valid (or not valid, depending on how extreme your view on mayweather is) political reasons as to why that fight didn't happen.
fights that we know the result to before they happen are pointless? People say floyd avoided these but theres a trend... mosley - i mean just youtube it, theres a vid of him saying he can't fight floyd yet cos he gotta go to dentist lol anyways he left arum .. what happened... cotto - left arum .. what happened.. canelo - is with gbp, fight gets made in a few weeks.. margarito - to my knowledge, people were telling him to, at the time, fight baldomir ( he was the current champ).. so floyd did.. he also got offered more money for this fight, hmmm wonder whether people would fight the guy offering less money?? pacquaio - all negotiations were agreed in 09, pac refuses testing... no fight.. 11.. floyd offers pac 40mill & he promotes the event under mayweather promo, pac refuses.. oh yeah its floyds fault the fight didn't happen lol.. i guarantee you if pacquiao gets a few wins under his belt, leaves arum end of this year (i think his contract expires?) the fight will get made.. it would of years ago if pacquiao had left arum. people are under some illusion floyd ducks fights.. he doesn't.. he tends to fight once a year so sure some guys over the years didn't get a shot but he can't fight every fighter can he.. another point is people seem to forget floyd was the ducked fighter years ago, he offered no payday and a very tough fight, fighters knew it would be very tough to beat him..