Who should Jack Dempsey have given title matches to after beating Willard in 1919?

I disagree. Carpentier's claim to Euro Champdom was a win over the original legend of the china-mandible, Billy Wells EIGHT YEARS earlier. His light heavy crown was the result of what was largely viewed as a set-up against Levinsky....

According to one ringside scribe... "There is hardly a doubt but that Battling Levinsky went into that fight to lose, and that the only part of the program that he did not carry out was that he took the full count in the fourth, when he was expected to do so in the second round. That is easily accounted for. None of the blows which Carpentier landed in the second round looked to have KO force. Levinsky evidently was shamed by the booing of the crowd into getting up and waiting until such time as he could go down from a blow that at least looked like a KO. The blow that landed when he took the full count did not appear to have sufficient behind it to knock out a lightweight."

So, perhaps as a keep busy bout, this would have been acceptable... but as a legit defense, it's extremely sketchy.

 

Who exactly had Wills beaten in1921,22&23 to push his claims for a title shot?

1921.Dempsey's sparring partner Bill Tate,Old ,half blind Sam Langford [no dec]lhyJeff Clarke,Jack Thompson,Andy Thompson,Tate again,washed up GunBoat Smith having his last fight,"I went down for the boat ride".40 years old Denver Ed Martin and guess who? Yup, Tate again[ no dec].
1922. Tate! A dsq loss , Tate a draw,Old Sam again,lhvy Kid Norfolk,Lhvy jeff Clarke x2,Clem Jackson a sparring partner.Tut Jackson a lhvy.
1923.Homer Smith ,a trial horse,Jack Thompson.
The sports papers commented on his opposition saying," Wills is being fed on a diet of well chewed meat".

 

My only quarrel with this post is Carpentier stopped Wells twice with body shots.

 

You put the dates against the names not me!
I'm saying Wills beat nobody in 21,22,&23 to push his claims for a title shot and the contemporary newspapers agreed with me!
You think Dempsey should have defended against Jim Flynn in1920! That alone disqualifies you from your own thread!lol

 

I don't know where Wills stood regarding the other contenders and neither do you there were no rankings until1924! Do you still not understand? Dempsey ko'd Flynn in one round in 1918 ! Get somebody to explain it to you FFS ! You're the guy who has just described two posters who happen to disagree with you as ,"village idiots"!!!!!!

WTF ARE YOU ???????

Here is Dempsey's record for 1918.

1918 Jan 24 Homer Smith Racine, Wi KO 1
Feb 4 Carl Morris Buffalo, NY WF 6 Feb 14
"Fireman" Jim Flynn Fort Sheridan, Il KO 1
Feb 25 "K.O." Bill Brennan Milwaukee, Wi KO 6
Mar 16 Fred Saddy Memphis, Tn KO 1


By the way the Homer Smith that Dempsey tucked away in one round that year is one of Wills playmates in1923!

ps You need to stop taking that relaxant!lol

 

Do you think that Larry Holmes's defense against Micahel Spinks, was acceptable as a stay busy bout, but not a legit title defense?

I cannot say whether Levinsky took a dive, but the evidence is clearly very weak, and it was not Dempsey's job to second guess it.

If you are going to damn Dempsey for not fighting Harry Greb, then you can hardly deny Carpintier some credit for beating Levinsky more convincingly (Some ringsiders scored his previous bout with Greb for Levinsky).

Finally no champion in history has broken box office records, fighting somebody who was not at least seen as a qualified challenger.

 

I would not go as far as to say that he should have done, but I would not object if he had!

 

The Spinks/Carpentier analogy is weak sauce. Mike was a long time, dangerous champ who had pretty much run out of opponents, not some guy who sneaked away the title on a dubious bout. And the proof was in the pudding in that Mike was more than competitive with Holmes while Dempsey had to be asked to carry Carpentier. And do we really need to rehash what the vast majority of ring writers thought of this matchup before it occurred?

Again, it was a great event not a great match-up.

 

Prior to the Carpentier debacle ,for which fight the Frenchman did not train as he thought it was in the bag.Which win of Siki's suggested he belonged in a ring with Dempsey?