Who should Lucian Bute fight next?

How did you come up with the 70/30 figures?

(I honestly don't know how you accurately calculated Showtime's distribution of the 2M, exact gate numbers, exact Quebec PPV numbers, exact Danish TV numbers and exact % allocated to the promoting organizations in each of Bute and Kessler's cases, and... and... came up with "70/30")

 

Nothing wrong with Kessler having a belt to bargain with but Bute should drop his and thus drop his bargaining power?
Or he should move up to LHW where he doesn't have one so that loudmouth loser Pascal can demand an even-money fight?

 

First of all I think a 60/40 split in favour of the visiting fighter would be the most fair.

Let's estimate the revenue:

2M american tv rights (Showtime) (probably more as there's no way they'd have paid as much for the other opponents of Bute).
2.5M from the gate (25K at an average of 100 USD)
1M Canadian PPV
1.5M Danish PPV
0.5M overseas tv rights
0.5M sitefee

Thats a total revenue of 8M. Kessler's end is 1.5M from PPV + 750K = 2.25M

2.25/8 = 28% Kessler


Hence the offer was a joke.

 

Even when Kessler said he was offered 1danish krone, Interbox didn't react. You don't know the real numbers Bat. You have opinions but no real facts. Even if the 750K was true, there was also an amount from Showtime + the Danish PPV. The offer could have been higher but it is not the lowballing you are constantly talking about.

 

I think that if Arums numbers was indeed far fetched (as some posters claim) I am sure Interbox would have come forward and revealed the offer. Since they didn't Arums numbers is probably close to the truth.

 

...and why not 1.5M from PPV + 750K + 750K to 1M from Showtime + 500K from the gate?!? How can you affirm that's not the real equation here?

That'd be around 3.6M assuming 850K from Showtime, to be a bit conservative.

:think

 

Because nothing about a share of the gate was mentioned. I stand by my numbers untill someone shows me some holes beyond reasonable doubt.

Showtime would give an unspecified number. I doubt we are talking more than perhaps 200K, but that's strictly my guess.

Anyway we are a far cry from an offer that I'd consider reasonable. Far from it.

 

Alright, you won't admit your guess is as wild as anyone's. Fine, if that suits your ego.

I still stand by the fact you & me are speculating and that you have no hard proof of what you're saying. Opinions is all this is.

 

I presented some reasonable math backed with the words of Arum who's the ONLY one giving any purse-info. Interbox has been as quiet as an oister which should tell you, even though you are a prime nuthugger, that Arum's offer was close to the truth.

 

Again, your math is skewed by the fact you don't know the exact proportions given to each side for the different sources of revenue. Makes your guess flawed, whether you like it or not. The amount Kessler could have gotten in the end, although your frustration seems to prevent you from realizing it, was certainly a good starting point for negotiations.

It's not like you have both offers in front of you, so stop saying you're the truth.

You put all the blame on Interbox and call me a nuthugger, but the efforts Sauerland made to contribute to the making of Bute-Kessler are far from admirable. Kessler-Bouadla for a WBO paper title that leads to Stieglitz, is a good piece supporting that.

:yep

 

Where did my math go wrong?

 

Your equation puts Kessler's purse at 2.25M, mine puts it up over 3M. Neither equation is the truth because we don't know jack about the exact proportional details of the contract, Showtime fees / Montreal gate wise... you went with 0%, I gave random numbers which I thought were fair. Answers will remain unknown because there's no proof supporting either theory.

Agreed? :think

 

Can you be a little more specific on how you get Kessler's purse to 3M please.

You have 1.5 from danish PPV and 750K from Interbox. This I understand.

Then you are saying that he gets 750K from Showtime. That must be pure speculation right? It might as well be 100K?

And finally a share of the gate at 500K which is baseless as noone has mentioned that at all.

 

It's speculation based on the $2M/fight Showtime dishes out for all Bute fights on their network, and this one was, as per Interbox's offer, going to be televised in Showtime's preferred timezone. Check.

You got 0%. With no proof supporting it.

I have around 40% going to Kessler. With no proof supporting it.

Same for the gate. You have no proof that it wasn't a clause in the contract either. Not like they'll lay down the contract details in a memo and forward that to the media.

On the split, I respectfully disagree. If a champ puts his belt at risk at home, 60/40 in his favor as it was for Bute-Pavlik is reasonable. If a challenger wants to bring a champ in his backyard creating more risk for the champ to lose, the split should indeed be around 80/20 in the champ's favor, case similar to Kessler-Stieglitz in Denmark.

 

Your numbers are a bit humoristic. You don't calculate the pusrses for the rest of the card. The Bell Center is free for Interbox. Nobody gets paid for the organization of the fight. The PPV channel gives all the cash to Bute directly. Interbox has no cut at all.

And by the way, in a boxing configuration, the Bell Center doesn't hold more than 20 000 people. And Showtime didn't pay 2 millions for the Johsnon fight. Interbox clearly said that the network had downsized the purse for him, so we go back to 2M$ for Bute-Kessler.

A litlle 500K here, another there, finally, in a couple of corrections, we could be at 50 -50.


If your numbers were right, that would mean Kessler was going to receive 750$ from Showtime and 1,5M$ from Danish TV. That gives 2,25 M$. This is 50% more that what he'll receive to fight Stieglitz.


If you want to calculate a percentage, you have to take only the purses given to the boxers. Your problem is you don't know what Bute was going to receive. Arum didn't talk about that. Your numbers are way out.