Who should rank higher atg - toney or jones?

He fought everyone he had to fight. He ducked guys but most fighters do that, and he did not look for the tough competition, but the competition he faced he outclassed. He would have beaten Nigel Benn. Eubank wouldh have been tougher.. He has a better resume than Toney. The key to Jones being better is his light heavyweight reign. Jones coasted and still had a decent reign. I don't think they are comparable. I think comparing Hopkins to Jones is more interesting. Bernard fought better guys and beat them.

 

Toney was never more than a title holder at 168lbs, as Barkley sure as hell wasn't the man.

 

Not even close Rj gots this easily, and i wasnt exactly the biggest Rj fan for the last half of his career.

In their primes Toney was to hot and cold.. Where as Rj was dominant,despite not hunting down some guys he should have Michaelcewski ,,Calzaghe in Rjs prime,Benn,Eubank,McCellan also never rematched Hopkins when he was hot and in his prime, instead arguing and screaming his 60/40 and ill whup yo ass nonsense. although he would have beat those guys it kind of bugs me that he didnt face them. Especially when other greats of his generation ODLH,Holyfield,Chavez,Whittaker didnt really skip anyone around their weight class.

BUt Toney losing to Thadzi,Griffith 2x , Then falling out of boxings elite for a period of time with half ass efforts vs mediocre opposition,dont do him no favors. He also was doiminated by RJ.. Obviously not at his best but thats his fault for showing up to the biggest fight of his career in half ass condition. Everyone knew Jones was a supertalent and he had to have known that too,he should have no excuses,except for saying, i was a fatass and didnt care. Other greats get passes for not coming in at their best buts thats cause they had already proven their greatness and were pass their primes, but Toney dont deserve a pass because he was in his prime and deprived us fans by not coming in at his best in a "Superfight". Used to like Toney but hes "schitik" grew old and hearing his bull**** now disgusts me.

 

Jones

 

1. Well I assumed you were biased after ignoring all the facts presented to you after you asked for them and contradicting your own logic

2. Mayweather isn't retired, if you believe he lost his lineal title in his first 'retirement' he still won it back against Mosley, he hasn't stated he is retired he's been on vacation for a year, do you believe Dempsey lost his claim to the lineal title in 1920 when he was out for a year?

3. Actually many consider the Chagaev fight as establishing lineage

4. So your 'bible of boxing' is wrong then Vitali was 'Ring Champion', their lineal equivilent

5. My

6. No it probably doesn't because DeValle doesn't have the WBA linerage. Jones-Tarver 1 could arguably establish lineage, so could Gonzalez beating DM create retrospective lineage like Ezzard Charles did when Savold lost to Louis

 

What a bad reply , nothing to do with the post.

 

luc, you wanna now rewrite the lineage in every division in the whole of boxing hsitory. ´Cuase I bet you can find stuff like this in every division more than once throughout boxing history. If you want to do so ... have fun.

 

Hws are clear? Really? Are you sure Jeffries picked the right ones to fight for his title? Or that Schmeling and Sharkey were 1 and 2 when they fought or Patterson and Moore? :hey