Who should Ruiz fight next?

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Who should Ruiz fight next?

Poll closed Nov 3, 2022.
  1. Oleksandr Usyk

    1.3%
  2. Anthony Joshua

    1.3%
  3. Deontay Wilder

    69.3%
  4. Dillian Whyte

    10.7%
  5. Joseph Parker

    2.7%
  6. Derek Chisora

    4.0%
  7. Kubrat Pulev

    1.3%
  8. Joe Joyce

    5.3%
  9. Michael Hunter

    1.3%
  10. Martin Bakole

    2.7%
  1. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why would Wilder destroy Ruiz.

    Ruiz is technically superior, much much faster counter puncher, has a much better chin, take body shots much better, has a better record including beating Wilders best win in Ortiz and beating AJ to do something Wilder never has done and become unified WC (not mention beat the guy that Wilders team have terrified of and actively ducked for years).

    Wilder has never beaten an opponent as good Ruiz but Ruiz has beaten a far superior boxer than Wilder. Could chinny Wilder with glass chest take Ruiz counter punches? I don't think so. Wilder will be put on the back foot (he can't box on the back foot all) and is deer in the headlights.

    Also how did lower Ruiz ranking in my opinion? He went one spot after Ruiz beat Ortiz and considering Hunter's inactivity.
     
    Last edited: Sep 7, 2022
  2. ShortRound

    ShortRound Active Member banned Full Member

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    Ruiz is essentially another Stiverne or Arreola but with less height and reach, similarly slow or slower feet, less power and maybe not even a better chin.

    The only reason you rate Ruiz highly is because he exposed AJ and lost an A-side decision to Parker, who lost to Whyte, who couldn't lay a glove on Fury over 6 rounds and got one-shotted. Your entire analysis of the division has been based on air.

    If Ruiz was better than Wilder it would have shown against Morales, Liakhovich, Arreola and Ortiz. Arreola's already said that Wilder will beat Ruiz, as has Ortiz's trainer. They understand that Wilder is the far superior fighter and have first hand experience of it.

    But I'm glad you are making such an adamant case for Ruiz. Because in all likelihood he's going to get destroyed and you're going to have to give Wilder massive credit for doing something you supposedly didn't believe he was remotely capable of doing.
     
  3. SergioJ91

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    Wilder and he will get destroyed by Wilder is my prediction. He got hit a lot of times by Ortiz, if Wilder connects, he won't be getting up.
     
  4. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How is Ruiz Stivenre or Arreola level? He has a better record than Wilder let alone those guys who have never beaten anyone of note.

    I rate Ruiz because he became unified champion by beating the number 1 guy in the divison who clearly had by far the best record at time. Ruiz also gave Parker tough fight (Parker deservedly won - I had Parker winning by 2 points). Ruiz then beat Wilder only ever noteworthy opponent dropping hom 3 times in Ortiz.

    If Wilder was better than Ruiz, Wilder's team would of had confidence in him fighting the like AJ and Parker like Ruiz and not have avoides them at all cost.

    You said likelihood is that Ruiz would get destroyed by Wilder, you also said the same about Ortiz Vs Ruiz. I've always said if Wilder ever beats a proven quality HW (which he hasnt) I would certianly give him credit.
     
  5. ad4m88

    ad4m88 Active Member Full Member

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    Wants dubois up to be a banger fight
     
  6. Boxing2019

    Boxing2019 If you want peace, prepare war. banned Full Member

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    Hes obliged to face the winner of Dosser vs Helenius. WBC ordered it. Read yesterday.
     
  7. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He'll fight who he always fights,,the scales.
     
  8. KernowWarrior

    KernowWarrior Bob Fitzsimmons much bigger brother. Full Member

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    I say Wilder as next opponent, Wilder got the height and punch while Ruiz seems to have decent set of whiskers, power and skills with fast mitts.

    However Ruiz has to fight his tendency of living by the Oscar Wilde quote
    “I can resist anything except temptation.”
     
  9. ShortRound

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    I didn't claim that Ruiz was Stiverne level; he's not as dangerous as prime Stiverne, who was able to dominate prime Arreola twice, KO'ing him quite brutally the 2nd time whereas Ruiz got dropped and hurt multiple times by a 21 months inactive/retired 40+ Arreola coming off a loss to Kownacki. I claimed that relative to Stiverne and Arreola, Ruiz is shorter, stubbier, not more fleet of foot, less powerful and maybe less durable. Wilder's been dominating guys like Ruiz since Jan 2015 and will be heavily favoured to do so again.

    A-side AJ's record was smoke and mirrors, it was never nearly as good as advertised. Funnily enough, even Hearn admitted in an interview today that 43 year old, 2 KO defeat Ortiz was a "top 6 or 7 heavyweight". If that's true then the undefeated Ortiz of 4.5 years ago was a top 3 heavyweight, if not top 2. Given how AJ's performed against Cubans, southpaws and front foot counterpunchers, 2017/2018 Ortiz would have probably KO'd AJ.

    Wilder has fought someone better than AJ on three occasions and someone better and more dangerous than Parker on at least 6 occasions. I don't want to hear about a relatively glass chinned, glass hearted, glass engined AJ when Wilder's fought Fury x3, who will demolish AJ if he doesn't duck the fight.

    I know you are intellectually challenged but I told you before that I picked Ruiz to beat Ortiz. I thought Ortiz lacked the engine, legs and punch resistance at 43 with 2 brutal KO defeats to last 12 rounds and outbox Ruiz. It turns out I was wrong and he drastically outperformed AJ from Ruiz 1, going 12 and losing a controversial decision. But Wilder will be 37.5 rather than 43.5, with superior length, athleticism and power to Ortiz, so he'll dominate Ruiz and KO him. Wilder will make Ruiz look worse than many of the guys he's already beaten, just as Fury did to Whyte, who didn't even look as good as prime Kevin Johnson or prime Hammer.
     
  10. don owens

    don owens Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The Michelin man.....or the Pillsbury Doughboy
     
  11. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wilder/Helenius winner (likely Wilder), that's an easy fight to make
     
  12. ILikeBoxingForRealz

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    I'm jus saying Ruiz vs Chisora would be a WAR. A fight with an ungodly amount of power punches. I want Andy vs Dereck
     
  13. highlander

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    he should fight off all those snickers and twinkies!