Who spoke of boxing in the most sophisticated way?

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  1. Colonel Sanders

    Colonel Sanders Classic discussion : small vs big, old vs modern Full Member

    Sep 13, 2012
    Who spoke of boxing in the most sophisticated and insightful manner that you know of? Could be anyone: trainer, fighter, historian, nobodies on forums, writers, journalists, etc. It has to be about their analysis of the skills and tactics of boxers.

    I'll let you know why I'm asking later.
  2. HolDat

    HolDat Active Member Full Member

    Sep 25, 2020
  3. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Bronsonville Full Member

    Jul 25, 2015
    Most have reservations on him as a historian, but Bert Sugar really did have a way with words, especially comedic phrasing.

    For pure prose and writing though, I'd have to say Pierce Egan and Gilbert Odd.
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  4. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Bronsonville Full Member

    Jul 25, 2015
    Burt Bienstock.
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  5. Bronze Tiger

    Bronze Tiger Well-Known Member Full Member

    Jun 23, 2018
    Gil Clancy....you can learn so much from listening to his commentary...he was an encyclopedia
  6. Bronze Tiger

    Bronze Tiger Well-Known Member Full Member

    Jun 23, 2018
    Jim Lampley is great at his job ....if you understand what his job is
  7. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Oct 25, 2006
    For me, I'd say trainers like Gil Clancy and Manny Steward. Listening to them, you can just tell they see things many don't. They knew boxing as well as anyone who's ever lived.
    I do like hearing Roy Jones talk though. One of the few fighters who doesn't talk rubbish.
    (I'm definitely not saying fighters don't know boxing-of course they do-but some talk the biggest pile of crap you're ever likely to hear)
    Boxing scribes and journalists... depends on their pedigree.
    Matchmakers like Teddy Brenner definitely knew boxing.
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  8. surfinghb

    surfinghb Well-Known Member Full Member

    Aug 26, 2017
  9. NickChristo

    NickChristo Member Full Member

    Sep 18, 2020
    For boxers Jack Dempsey in his book 'Championship Fighting' and for boxers who are commentating it's hard to not like Roy Jones and Paulie Malinaggi, or George Foreman if you want to laugh, not the most insightful though aha.
    For historians Henry Hascup and Cliff Rold have taught me plenty and always have some insightful input, not a fan of Bert Sugar but can see why some like him.
  10. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

    Jan 30, 2014
    Just in terms of analyzing the skills and tactics of individual fighters? Wilson Kayden on Youtube was excellent.
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  11. Boxing GOAT

    Boxing GOAT New Member Full Member

    Apr 2, 2020
    Ray Arcel, Eddie Futch, Emanuel Stewart, Bert Sugar, Larry Merchant, Al Bernstein, Dempsey, Gil Clancy, Archie Moore to name a few.
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  12. UltimateDestroyer

    UltimateDestroyer Member Full Member

    Nov 25, 2020
  13. Saintpat

    Saintpat Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Jun 26, 2009
    Never heard him speak, but AJ Liebling wrote about the game on a high level — not so much in a technical sense but conveying a lot about the sociology and psychology around a fight or boxing event in a very accessible and humorous way.

    Nobody conveyed the characters around the sport he way AJ did.
  14. Ken Ashcroft

    Ken Ashcroft Boxing Addict Full Member

    Dec 23, 2008
    Chris ‘English’ Eubank.
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  15. Kamikaze

    Kamikaze Be real• Full Member

    Oct 12, 2020
    Cus certainly made the sweet science sound mystical- Never a dull time with the great eccentric trainer.