Who the hell were Wilders first 21 opponents?!!

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  1. Tyson Fury Goat

    Tyson Fury Goat Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    chisora is better then every opponent wilder faced apart from ortiz
     
  2. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    How the hell do you know Wilder won't be an ATG? You don't. How the hell do I know AJ won't go on to be the greatest HW of all time? I don't. You know why, because neither of us are fortune tellers or psychics, that's why. For all we know, one of them could go on to remain undefeated for the next 10 years, and beat every potential threat that comes before them. So it is a good point, stop with the your immature selective subjective cherry picking of resumes to further your garbage agenda, you as an American know damn good and well that Wilder has followed the same course almost every American HW boxer for the last 50 years has followed, same goes for Canelo, Matthysse, Provodnikov, Maidana, Martinez, Marquez, Morales, Barrera etc. Most normal boxers rack up at least 20-25 matches worth of tin cans before facing a live body. The fast tracking of fighters is a relatively recent phenomenon to transpire in the sport.

    And remind me again, WHO IN THE **** has Chisora beaten that's worth a damn? No one, that's who, but, but. but he beat Helenius, and got robbed..... who is a bum who beat no one worth a damn either. He's a durable journeyman, nothing more.
     
  3. Tyson Fury Goat

    Tyson Fury Goat Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    its not easy being a ATG most likely they wont be... hell they might not even be HOF

    Yes I agree with your point on fighters having at least 20-25 fight before fighting a live body but what you fail to point out is Pac didn't have the chance to fight other fighters he was trying to break through same goes for most but wilder HAD chances to fight decent fighters but never did only until recently he fought Ortiz even though Ortiz was old.

    Yes as a American I want to support our heavyweight champ but I simply can't he never takes chances to fight the best which is crazy. He has no skills whatsoever and relies on just his power he has horrible fundamentals.

    Fury and Joshua are ahead of wilder for me.
     
  4. Youssou N'Dour

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    A bunch of cans from an aluminum factory.
     
  5. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Most fighters will never be ATG's, but the fact that I can do that to actual ATG's records what you and all of the Wilder haters do to his, proves my point.

    Actually Wilder had ZERO chances to fight a live body until he was 23 fights into his career, because no one had ever ****ing heard of him. Since then, like my earlier post stated, he's fought similar decent comp like AJ. He had a chance to fight Povetkin and Ortiz and took them, its not his fault they tested positive for PED's.

    No **** Fury and AJ are ahead of Wilder, I won't even argue that, but remove that ONE SOLITARY NAME from both of their records, Fury drops far below Wilder and AJ is around the same level, maybe slightly lower.
     
  6. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    I'd rate Chisora higher than somebody like a Sherman Williams. Scott and Gerber are decent KO's but his rep all comes from losing close decisions. The only truly one sided fight he was in was Fury II. He gave Haye some problems.
     
  7. Tyson Fury Goat

    Tyson Fury Goat Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Ok then what happened from 23 fights until his 34th fight? why didn't he fight anyone decent?

    Why is wilder not taking the whyte fight when he will get 4/5 mill? why doesn't he take it?

    He wont even fight whyte what makes you think he will ever fight Joshua or Fury

    Both those men would beat him if any of those fights happen I will say I told you so Joshua would knock him out
     
  8. CST80

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    As far as Whyte goes, he wants to fight AJ, and doesn't want to allow Hearn to dictate terms or put any stipulations or roadblocks in his way. Or play Eddie's games or jump through hoops for him. He just cut the ****, and get the "man" in the ring with him. As far as your prediction goes, you'll be as right about those matches as you were about Provo beating Matty.

    As far as the first part of your question, see my original post on the subject.

    "Let's give this narrative a try shall we? Like BC and AD, there's BTV and ATV.

    So let's apply the standard set for AJ, being a megastar in the media eye since turning pro and apply it to Wilder, only thing that matters are their televised matches.

    Wilder's resume.
    Luis Ortiz
    Bermane Stiverne
    Gerald Washington
    Chris Arreola
    Artur Szpilka
    Johann Duhaupas
    Éric Molina
    Bermane Stiverne
    Jason Gavern
    Malik Scott
    Nicolai Firtha
    Siarhei Liakhovich
    Audley Harrison
    Matthew Greer
    Kelvin Price
    Damon McCreary

    Joshua's resume
    Joseph Parker
    Carlos Takam
    Wladimir Klitschko
    Éric Molina
    Dominic Breazeale
    Charles Martin
    Dillian Whyte
    Gary Cornish
    Kevin Johnson
    Raphael Zumbano Love
    Jason Gavern
    Michael Sprott
    Denis Bakhtov
    Konstantin Airich
    Matt Skelton
    Matt Legg
    Hector Avila
    Dorian Darch
    Hrvoje Kisicek
    Paul Butlin
    Emanuele Leo

    Now clearly AJ has fought 2 opponents that are world class in Wlad and Parker, and two scratching world class with Takam and Whyte. But after that, there's Breazeale Martin and Molina who are decent, and the rest are absolute crap.

    So that's
    Two beastly wins.
    Two solid wins.
    Three decent wins.
    Fourteen crap wins.

    Whereas Wilder has one world class opponent in Ortiz, two opponents in Duhaupas and Stiverne (first time) scratching world class, and then you have Szpilka, Washington, Arreola, Molina, Scott and Liakhovich who are decent.

    So that's
    One beastly win.
    Two solid wins.
    Six decent wins.
    Six crap wins.

    So when it comes to measuring each man's resume based on their time spent in the spotlight, take out Wlad, and they're pretty ****ing close to even."
     
  9. KingFury64

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    You`ll need to wait until AJ gets to 40 fights and then check his opposition before you say that.. lol
     
  10. CST80

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    Okay whatever you say child.
     
  11. Cally

    Cally Sand...sand... nothing but sand! Full Member

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    Missing the point!
     
  12. Thread Stealer

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    Who cares? They need to fight now, not do this “marinating” ****. It’s best for the sport that they fight, and I’m not overly confident that both of them stay undefeated in the meantime.
     
  13. Farmboxer

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    Wilder fought winos from the alley, Wilder will fight Breazeale next because Breazeale is owned by Haymon and was knocked out by Joshua. No way will he fight Joshua! Joshua will fight Povetkin,or Miller next..................but there is a new report of a rematch with Vlad. I wish Vlad would knock Wilder out first as a tuneup, then fight Joshua.............
     
  14. Zakman

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    They were stiffs, utter stiffs. Some of the worst collection are bar bouncers, biker gang enforcers and professional losers I've EVER seen a touted prospect fight in nearly 40 following professional boxing.

    Yes, most fighters in their early careers fight mediocrities of various sorts. But Wilder fought the WORST of this D and F class opponents that could be found, and he this level of opponent for far longer!

    It is only in about the last 2-3 years or so, SEVEN years into his career, that Wilder has been fighting 2nd and 3rd tier journeymen (Scott, Molina, Duhaupas, etc.) or washed up "name" opponents (Lyakhovich, Harrison).

    The only guys he's fought that one could argue are remotely decent are Stiverne and Ortiz, and it is important to note that both were old and flawed, and in my view, both highly overrated.

    Wilder is a carefully managed FRAUD, with a very suspect chin, who is in no way ready to take on Anthony Joshua, who will annihilate him in a few rounds. I find it astounding that knowledgeable boxing fans have been fooled by this congame.
     
  15. Holler

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    He's got a point though? AJ is being compared to a man that began his pro career at the time he started to box and who has fought twice as many times? That seems at least a relevant factor to consider when comparing records?