Who thinks DLH took a dive against B-Hop?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by teemo16, Nov 14, 2007.


  1. teemo16

    teemo16 Member Full Member

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    I do.

    Just watched this fight. Maybe "dive" is too strong (I'm sure he didnt plan it out in advancem), but did he want to get up? NO.


    Btw, from reading about this fight, I was led to believe that DLH acquitted himself pretty well and surprised people. But Hopkins DOMINATED this fight. I dont think Oscar landed one significant punch. The first 4-5 rounds, not much happened (though Hopkins was winning). Then Hopkins realized Oscar cant hurt him, and started being much more aggressive (and seemed to be enjoying himself). That's why Oscar didnt get up.

    On a semi-related note, I wonder if in general boxers who are "too tall" for their weight classes (ie, Oscar at lightweight or Pavlik at middle) are generally overrated boxers, and get exposed when they fight at a more natural weight? (the Ghost is my favorite boxer, but just a thought)
     
  2. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    No way, that was a legit punch. Nobody is gonna get up from the "chopped liver with Hopkins sauce".
     
  3. Jbuz

    Jbuz Belt folder Full Member

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    I'm a big Oscar fan, so I hate admitting it... but something was definately strange. I wouldn't at all be suprised if he did take a dive.

    On the other hand, I wouldn't at all be suprised if it was legit, because liver shots can do that. It just didn't seem all that hard.

    It kills me to say this, but a KO of Oscar De La Hoya looks very attractive on the resume of a new recruit of Golden Boy Promotions.
     
  4. dmille

    dmille We knew, about Tszyu, before you. Full Member

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    teemo,

    Spoken like someone who has never been hit with a liver shot...
     
  5. dmille

    dmille We knew, about Tszyu, before you. Full Member

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    Quit straddling the fence...
     
  6. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No doubts about it, Hoya could be hurt but he could have beaten the count, just didn't cause that would mean that he had no chance whatsoever to win the fight and he gave up at that moment. So, yes, as soon as he felt the pain on the side, dived in all the way.
     
  7. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    I have watched that over and over and over.......almost infinity (to the point where I can hear the dude yellin "body shot, body shot, Oh Oscar, body shot" in my dreams!), but it is fishy as hell and I can not see that being either powerful or clean.
     
  8. dmille

    dmille We knew, about Tszyu, before you. Full Member

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    you dummafuggers need to look up the definition of the word "dive"
     
  9. MagnificentMatt

    MagnificentMatt Beterbiev literally kills Plant and McCumby 2v1 Full Member

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    He didnt take no damn dive....

    That was one of the cleanest body punches in the history of the sport.
     
  10. Jbuz

    Jbuz Belt folder Full Member

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    I said I wouldn't be suprised either way. But I think I made it clear which way I'm leaning.
     
  11. dmille

    dmille We knew, about Tszyu, before you. Full Member

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    Which hole did the fence post go in?
     
  12. teemo16

    teemo16 Member Full Member

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    two things-

    -I meant, could have gotten up but chose not to. I guess "quit" would be a better word than "dive."
    -Yes, I have been hit in the liver. Just not by Bernard Hopkins! I'm not saying its not possible that he was legitimately that hurt by the punch, I just tend to think he wasnt. As PBF said, he had the energy to pound the mat!

    Also, if DLH is 5-11.5 and B-Hop is 6-1, it sure didnt look that way. Seemed like Hopkins had at least three inches on him
     
  13. psychopath

    psychopath D' "X" Factor Full Member

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    Well I was one of those who originally thought DLH took a dive.

    But after seeing a lot of fighters go down from a very similar punch . . . I change my point of view and I won't insist on that now.

    Means I still have my doubts but not as strong as it was before. :yep
     
  14. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    True. Me too I guess because there have been a couple of high profile exact shots this year alone.
     
  15. SteveO

    SteveO MSW Full Member

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    That pounding the mat seemed a little too WWE...

    but to be fair, I have never been liver-punched by Hopkins.