Who Thinks Jack Johnson Could Step Out Of A Time Machine And Fight For A Belt?

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    He was so cool, he probably wouldn't even be that surprised.

    Anyway, the Johnson that was ready for Jeffreis - he gets out of a time machine and steps into the ring with, say, Chagaev and fight him?

    If not, what do you think would need to be done with Johnson in terms of training and tune ups?
     
  2. Vincent Gottschalk

    Vincent Gottschalk Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think Jack Johnson is over rated the guy held more then John Ruiz and he gets out classed by todays heavies Johnson, was just not busy enough. Look at old films his skill set while good at the time are crude by todays standard.:deal
     
  3. hopkinsfan07

    hopkinsfan07 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Johnson was great in his day but now days he wouldent be great he might win a few with toughness and will but that can only take you so far

    Wladimir Klitschko ko 7

    the rest UD
     
  4. hopkinsfan07

    hopkinsfan07 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    you can judge it on todays standerds we have years and years of skills and styles and training tips and know how to help us but back then they had to do what they had to do

    and the holding stuff is stupid if you did 20 rounds of pretty much non stop puncing you would get tired and need to hold
     
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    C. M. Clay II Manassah's finest! Full Member

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    Typical answrs from guys who know nothing about Jack Johnson. :-(

    Jack Johnson was a complete fighter who could fight any kind of style. I seen some of his fights where he did little holding and had good activity. Johnson also had very good footspeed, and could dart in and out of range pretty quickly. Johnson had a very good jab and could set up his offense on that as well as his defense. The reason why he fought some fights at a slow pace is because that was the pace his opponent was fighting. If his opponent set a fast pace, johnson could accomodate that situation as well.

    Anyway, Johnson would pretty much clean out the division today. He would stop Wlad late, and beat all the other belt holders pretty easily, without modern training techniques.:good
     
  7. janitor

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    Even in the scenario you have described the unprepared Johnson would give any of these guys a boxing lesson. He took a few fights with top opponents on the spot.

    Now if I have a few months to educate him in the ways of his oponents then god help them.
     
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    Not unless he learns to uppercut verry quickly he won't.
     
  9. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Johnson was great in his time, but will have to make a LOT of adaptations.

    His style wouldn't work today, he jabbed little, i wonder if he knew how to deal with a jab (never seen him get jabbed at much) and the wrestling style won't be very effective either, especially with all the big guys around today.
     
  10. hopkinsfan07

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    wlads hard jab would keep him away then a huge right hand would take him out
     
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    hopkinsfan07 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    i disagree but not on the fact that it would or wouldent work

    i dont think he is to blame for all the gragging i think 50-60% of the time it was tho other fighter starting the hold and wlad seems to hold quite a bit against hard hitters

    plus john ruiz diddent do to bad with this way of fighting
     
  12. hopkinsfan07

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    im going to ignore you now

    how old r u by the way becuse this sounds like an uneducated kid talking
     
  13. janitor

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    Please.

    Nobody is going to keep Johnson or any other all time great at range with just a jab. It is something that only happens to one dimensional fighters.
     
  14. janitor

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    Johnson was not just some prehistoric version of John Ruiz who wrestled with smaller fighters. It is unfortunate that most of his surviving film is against smaller fighters because it emphasises these aspects of his game.

    Against much larger oponents he was up on his toes darting into and out of range and threw fast and acurate combinations. He was almost like a hybrid of Joe Louis and Gene Tunney.
     
  15. McGrain

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    I feel it's very possible that even without having time to study modern boxing, Johnson would find ways to have his opponent fight HIS fight, rather than the other way around.

    I agree that a lot has changed. But the objectivce is still the same, no? The PHYSICAL TOOLS are still identical to the ones fighters used in Johnsons day - and Jack might just think his birthday has come early when a guy starts throwing a lot of punches at him, because of the huge number of countering opportunities.

    I think Johnson is strong enough to wrestle with most of these bigger guys if he is strong enough to wrestle with Jim Jeffreis.