Who Thinks Jack Johnson Could Step Out Of A Time Machine And Fight For A Belt?

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    You know how CHJ supplies "assumed resume" for Calzaghe? I kind of assumed this would be your answer.

    How far ahead/behind does your vision of era domination go? What I mean is, can a fighter from 1930 be expected to compete with a fighter from 1940? Or does it take longer for the past fighter to be totally overhauled?
     
  2. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Thats like taking Emelia Ernhart back in time to fly a new style plane...Hey it would be easier, Give Johnson some time in the gym, sparring to adjust a bit for almost 100 years of change and he would handle himself fine and be a presence
     
  3. Sizzle

    Sizzle Active Member Full Member

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    No.
     
  4. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I think that is about as much thought as some people have given the matter.
     
  5. Sizzle

    Sizzle Active Member Full Member

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    Care to elaborate on the topic?

    I don't see how using/relying on the jab works to the detriment of a fighter, but feel free to convince me otherwise.

    From an excitement point of view I can see where you're coming from, but in terms of developing an EFFECTIVE fighting style you'll need to present your case.
     
  6. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    I've seen all of his filmed fights and in NONE of them he jabs or is being jabbed at constistently.

    Hatton is an agressive in-fighter, Johnson is a defensive, wrestling fighter. Johnson is everything but a pressure fighter in fact, so i don't really see the comparison. He'd find himself in a world of trouble when not only is he jabbed at consistently for the first time, but the opponent is actually a heavyweight who has 30 pounds on him instead of a middleweight who he has 40 pounds on.
     
  7. McGrain

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    A pressure fighter needs a jab against a great mover more than a counter-puncher needs a jab against an aggressive opponent. That is obvious. The comparison was to show how Johnson IF he has no jab whatsoever can be seen to hold an advantage over a very successful modern fighter like Hatton.

    The way you talk, you would think Johnson LEAPS in to wrestle. He counters his opponenets action, especially a larger one.
     
  8. Luigi1985

    Luigi1985 Cane Corso Full Member

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    I have to agree, it would be interesting to see how Johnson fights a big man with skills...
     
  9. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    The HWTs of today are quite bad IMO & Johnson was the best of his time so yes he could be champ today I believe.

    Give him 3 days to get used to the gloves, spar & take in the new rules etc & we would probably have a new champ but you really dont know, 1909 was a long time ago.
     
  10. jaywilton

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    Jack Johnson would win a fight today if Tommy Burns also stepped into a time machine and fought him again.
     
  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    :lol:
     
  12. janitor

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    The jab is a great tool but a fighter who relies on it too heavily is a one dimensional fighter.

    There have been fighters throughout history whose main game plan was to counter off the jab. If you go into a fight with a jab fest plan with one of them then you are toast.

    The jab might be a safety first punch but it is the worst punch to get countered on. We are talking sunday right hand for breakfast.
     
  13. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    And how often did Johnson throw the STRAIGHT right hand? How often did he wait for his opponent to get a punch off, blocked/slipped it and threw a counter right hand? Very rarely.
     
  14. janitor

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    If an oponent wanted to try a jab fest with him then that is what he would do.

    Trying to fight Max Schmeling using the jab as a primary weapon would be a seriously dumb plan for example.
     
  15. janitor

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    Burns would be a multi division champ today. He could potentialy win belts from super middle to cruiser and perhaps beyond.