Who Truly is the HW H2H Goat. Let's hear it

Don't waste your time bud, he's beyond help.

 

This

 

sure it makes sense.

natural, meaning the best heavyweight who was was lewis. his size, physic, power and boxing IQ would do be to much for any heavyweight ever.

marciano, frazier, louis would all have problems with the huge weight and height disadvantage. they would eat jabs all day and finaly gow down in later rounds by a right hand.

ali had incrdible chin and moved well, but again, could he handle somebody who was a great puncher with arms as long as sonny liston combined with fluid movemants a superb jab and ring generalship at its best, no he would not. to small, no a heavy puncher enough, he would win rounds, but not the fight.

a well trained holyfield had no chance vs lewis.

bowe had no chance in the amateurs and wanted no part of lewis in the pros.

tyson, even a prime one would be way to small, he would have his chances but I'd favor prime lewis over prime tyson.

klitschkos, they have same size, height and everything and would be the biggest problem for lewis. still if a fat out of shape at the end of his career lennox lewis could bloody a nearly or arguably prime vitaly, than what would a prime lewis have done with the stronger klit bro?

so we settled that. lewis best heavyweight ever.

now if we talk p4p, that means same size, same weight, than I doubt any heavyweight ever would handle a prime 6'4 inches 250 pounds with long amrs yet same speed and power on top with one of the greatest chins ever mike tyson. nobody beats a tall tyson, that formula is the answer. no heavyweight had this kind of speed, combined with power, movemant and would he have been taller with longer arms than it would be no doubt who the best ever is.

 

This is head to head as in who would win at their best. Not who had the best career. I need to make that clear since reading comperhesion is not a strong suit of many ESB members.
1. Riddick Bowe: Considering his size, and yes it matters. His outside and inside skills. Perhapps most importantly his abillity to take a punch. I'd put my money on Riddick Bowe to win more often than anyone else.
2. Lenox Lewis: Keep in mind that he beat everyone he was in the ring with at least once. His ko losses hurt, but I don't think his chin is as bad as some people say it is.
3. Wald Klitchko: Has learned to use his size under Emaunel Steward who also trained Lewis at his head to head best. I do have questions about his chin.
4. Joe Louis: While not small by any means. He's not as tall/long as the 3 men ratted above him. If he was he'd be #1. Underrated boxing skills. The best puncher in the division.
5. Mike Tyson: Built like a tank. Tyson is my higest ratted short heavyweight. He won't beat the above. However he's cappable of beating the bellow.
6. Muhamadd Ali: Fast and awakard will win a lot of boxing matches. However Ali never faced anyone as good as the above in his physical prime before he was sent on exile.
7. Vittli Klitchko: He hits you you're in a lot of trubble. However he dose not use his lenfth to hi full advantage and even though Every punch of his is a power punch. He punches kind of slow.
8. George Foreman: The Man has no skills, but he had punching power. There are chin concerns, but not anymore than most heavyweights.

 

I gotta go with none. If a welllll, very wellllll past his prime Foreman in his mid-forties was causing havoc in the 90's imagine what an iron chinned, seek and destroy non-stop punching machine would of done. I like the Klits they aren't the problem today its their opponents, but thats a different subject. Truth is Klits look great vs opponents that just stand there and dont hit back. Foreman was like Sanders, but with an afro and not a nice guy and could give a **** about golf. Prime Foreman to me is the best H2H fighter second to Ali only because Ali executed the greatest gameplan in boxing history and used brain over brawn. With respect to the Klits, but one of the similarities both have is when they get tagged both of them their eyes look like a scared deer looking up at headlights. Prime Ali would only laugh at them, shake it off, and taunt thrm to throw more. Wlad tries to land power on all his shots not Ali. Nothing no fighter could do that would make Ali lose his cool except for the great Joe Frazier like it happened in the Thrilla in Manilla.

 

I disagree with you as will, well everyone, but hats off for being original.

 

I missed that, when did Foremans chaos rain down?

 

Prime Lewis beats them all imo.

 

Foreman was an intriguing novelty in the nineties, nothing more. He didn't achieve anything truly outstanding in the division barring winning a belt at an advanced age. And the things which allowed the older Foreman to have success, were not the sort of things that allowed the younger iteration to have success. Your comparison is a bit bizarre. In his prime Foreman was nothing like Sanders. Closest fighter I can see to Foreman is Vitali, whilst Sanders is more similar to someone like amateur star Roberto Cammarelle, unorthodox, quick handed and powerful.

The rest of your jibber-jabber is not really worth responding to.

 

Ali by far.

 

As long as his little piggy doesn't go wee, wee, well you get the picture. I remember Ali fighting Norton with a broken jaw for 12 rounds (well for most of those rounds anyway). He lost but he finished and give it his best shot. I wonder how Ali would have fared with a broken pinky toe?

 

Wasn't Ali coming off one fight out of exile to the FOTC? :huh

 

Lewis closely followed by the current Wlad

 

1. Tyson
2. Ali
3. Holmes
4. Louis
5. Bowe
6. Liston
7. Lewis