Who Under190lbs Would Be Successful From1970 Onwards?

Starting to get to the real source of the Marciano hatred. It was obvious before but gets more and more obvious by the day. Although it usually hasn’t been you with the racist statements with this I’m disappointed.

 

So, are all those who make their (sometimes substantial) incomes incorrect about who they are recruiting and grooming for a heavyweight run?

 

There’s different weight divisions now. People would move up more often because that’s where the money was. Money isn’t a problem at cruiser anymore otherwise usyk would have been a HW years ago. That’s why Holyfield moved up Spinks Moorer Jones Tooney etc etc and they did fine. Wether they were white or black meant nothing so cut the crap

 

Tho I agree a touchy subject, to ignore the domination of the heavies by men of African descent is just burying your head in the sand. Until the emergence of eastern Euros, it was overwhelming.

So, I would contend that you are wrong. White or black does mean something.

 

Anyone who was over 190 after the 1970s probably weigh a lot less before 1970.

 

Literally has nothing to do with wether a under 190 pound person can compete. Plenty of champs of all different colors and races especially within the HW division and at that weight that could have competed today. It’s irrelevant to the conversation.

 

Yep. Which would bring the question could they compete in the 50s under there training and rules and with their skill sets? Which they probably couldn’t. Their is not much skill involved in the modern HW era with the exception of Fury.

 

I kind of think Andy Ruiz without the cakes and snickers bars could fit your description.

 

OK... I don't suppose you want to see some statistical breakdowns regarding the heavyweight division over the past 50 years, do you?

Yeah. I didn't think so.

 

Depends on what you think is major success. Being the lineal champion? Or must being a top ten talent who lost in a title match.

From 1970-1985, heavyweights for the most part were under 220 pounds. Some of the top guys like Spinks were pretty small.

Tunney, Jones, Dempsey, Langford, Marciano would be my picks. Tunney and Jones were excellent boxer with speed who could out box much bigger men. Dempsey, Langford, and Marciano packed the power upset much larger men.

 

Once again white black Hispanic whatever has zero to do with the conversation. European whites have dominated the division for the last 20 years. African Americans the 40 years prior. Means absolutely nothing in regards to the conversation. You calling Marciano a white boy insinuating he couldn’t compete because of that is just showing ignorance in regards to many things. Color has nothing to do with 190 pound and below men competing today. Wether it be Rocky, Dempsey, Schmeling or Jones, Moore, Charles who cares what skin color they are.

 

Your numbers don't quite add up with names like Deontay and Byrd and Lewis. Regardless, I didn't call Marciano "white boy" but rather our hypothetical promising heavyweight... Who would probably be a teenager and thus a "boy". Reading comprehension.

So, OK, throw out race and ethnicity and say you travel to all points on the globe, Thailand, Korea, India, in search of your future heavyweight champ... Are you looking for a plodding sub 6 footer with the reach of a featherweight and two left feet?

 

If the guy is good enough why not? If you search the earth for the best heavyweight and one turns out to be short you gonna turn him down? Another Mike Tyson say? I don’t think many specifically will look for that shape but if one turns up, and he’s truly gifted why not?

Somebody bankrolled Andy Ruiz. He’s short. Nobody believes he’s more than 6 foot. I guess he’s been boxing since before he was 190. The kid can fight. The weight he is isn’t actually conventional for a man that shape is it? And this is the heavyweight champion of the world!

This obsession with “below 190” is really only a reflection on training trends after 1980. When heavyweights were around 190, and they were for a very long time, this was because that’s what it took to be the best heavyweight for all that time. That’s what it took to be successful the majority of the time. Nothing to do with evolution. Just the time. With those gloves you hit hard enough and if you trained with what was available then that weight range of fighter it made a guy fast enough to throw more punches for 15 rounds. Even now you need a hard puncher who can throw a lot of leather. To be good enough to that you couldn’t be too big most of the time.

Now there is no “too big”. Something changed. It was not always the way.

 

No way this turns into a hundred page cluster ****. Get in early on this years Primo Thread.

 

Dempsey, Tunney,Sharkey and Patterson come to mind.
Patterson had a good win over Bonavena was it in ‘72?
I think all the above who had various skills and speed have a certain amount of success in the 70’s but it becomes more difficult beyond then when size simply does become an issue.
I think it’s more difficult for a swarmer like Marciano plain and simply because he ships more leather.