Who was best: Shavers, Lyle, or Young?

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  1. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

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    1. Young

    2. Lyle

    3.Shavers
     
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  2. Hookie

    Hookie Affeldt... Referee, Judge, and Timekeeper Full Member

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    1. Young
    2. Lyle
    3. Shavers

    The confusing part is when you add Quarry and Bugner to the list. Where exactly do they fit in?

    It's true that Quarry beat an up and coming Lyle by decision but I think Lyle improved after this fight.

    Quarry also beat Shavers by 1st round KO, Lyle stopped Shavers in the 6th round.

    Shavers stopped Young in the 3rd round of their first fight, Young improved, they fought to a draw in their rematch.

    Young beat Lyle by decision twice.

    Bugner lost a close decision to Lyle and was stopped on cuts by Shavers in round 2.

    Ali stopped Quarry KO3 and KO7. He stopped Lyle KO11. He decisioned Bugner twice. He won close decisions over Young and Shavers.

    Frazier stopped Quarry KO7 and KO5 and he decisioned Bugner.

    So, where do Quarry and Bugner fit? How about this?

    1. Young
    2. Quarry
    3. Lyle
    4. Shavers
    5. Bugner
     
    Hookie, Jan 18, 2016
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  3. Vince Voltage

    Vince Voltage Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I get down on my knees and again beg of the universe: has anyone actually SEEN Shavers-Young II??? I've yet to find anyone who saw that fight, yet it has become very standard to go around saying that Young won it, based on some article in a Philadelphia --Jimmy's home town-- newspaper.
     
    Vince Voltage, Jan 18, 2016
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  4. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Young got stopped by Shavers.
     
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  5. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    We all know that, but in your estimation,...a guy in just his 11th pro bout didn't improve at all? Do you think that maybe Young progressed a bit from that 11th fight at all?
     
    red cobra, Jan 18, 2016
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  6. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    If we are going to use youngs first fight with shavers as a measuring stick (fought when young used a completely different style) then shavers was really no better than ron stander and dhouldnt even be on this list. Tit for tat.
     
    klompton2, Jan 18, 2016
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  7. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Nah he didn't improve at all. He's a **** journey man and doesn't even deserve mention alongside Lyle and Shavers.
     
    lufcrazy, Jan 18, 2016
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  8. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Relax I'm trolling. Been years since I posted seriously about Young or Jersey Joe.
     
    lufcrazy, Jan 18, 2016
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  9. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    He fought shavers to a draw in the rematch and left a lot of people thinking he won.. He beat Ron Lyle twice whom shavers lost to. He beat George foreman who was a better win than any Lyle or shavers ever had. He was stopped on fewer occasions than either of them as well. Something had to change since that 11th bout.. It should go without saying to anyone who watched a lot of these guys fight and have broken down their records that earnie shavers was one of the weaker contenders of his era.
     
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