Who was better boxer? Ezzard Charles or Larry Holmes

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Charlietf, Aug 16, 2020.

Better boxer

  1. Holmes

    12 vote(s)
    30.0%
  2. Charles

    28 vote(s)
    70.0%
  1. JC40

    JC40 Boxing fan since 1972 banned Full Member

    1,101
    1,843
    Jul 12, 2008
    Hi Kev, I voted for Holmes for that reason.

    Charles is more versatile with more strings to his bow so to speak but Holmes jab, height, reach, footwork and clinching ability make him a better overall boxer at heavyweight than the Cincinnati Cobra for mine.

    Cheers Matey.
     
    mrkoolkevin likes this.
  2. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Boxing Junkie Full Member

    11,775
    10,301
    Jul 4, 2014
    He killed a man in the ring, and, like Max Baer, was never the same again.
     
  3. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

    18,263
    9,045
    Jan 30, 2014
    Great minds... Charles' skills are prettier and his style more exciting, but I don't think that it makes him a better boxer either.

    And it's great to see that you're back! I was worried that you'd been banned permanently.
     
    Saintpat and JC40 like this.
  4. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    43,109
    8,548
    Jan 3, 2007
    I picked Ezzard Charles. Larry Holmes has the better left jab and right uppercut but Ezzard had better footwork and more rounded arsenal.
     
  5. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft 'Snarky Little Gobshite' - IntentionalButt Full Member

    23,643
    35,761
    Mar 3, 2019
    We're talking about a guy who has very little credentials for a puncher (especially for a heavyweight) vs a guy who has excellent ones. Charles KOed Moore, Marshall, Bivins, three all-timers. He also KOed several heavyweight contenders like Layne, Ray, Barone, Valentino etc; and Charles also blinded someone with the shots he hit them with and gave another fellow Cauliflower Ear. He killed Baroudi. Look at his common opponents with Archie Moore. He KOed Bivins and Marshall quicker. He KOed Satterfield with a single punch, no-one ever did that. He also did infinitely better vs Burley, and Charles hurt his granite chin multiple times.

    And Holmes doesn't have any KOs as devastating as Charles' over Satterfield and Reynolds. I can't see any case for Holmes as a harder hitter P4P.
     
    70sFan865 likes this.
  6. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

    92,413
    19,807
    Jun 2, 2006
    Charles is the more complete fighter Holmes basically threw the jab followed by the right in either a cross or uppercut his jab and uppercut were as good as anyone's but he didnt go to the body and he didnt really have a good left hook.Charles had a great hook and better all round game.
    I don't think there's much in it for power Charles stopped Ray once, Layne once, Bivins once Baksi was stopped on his feet with cut eyes,Barone was only179lbs.Satterfield was ko'd by Harold Johnson,Bob's chin wasn't much.
    Beshore's ear swelled up so much he had to be rescued on his feet.

    Moore was a lhvy,Marshall a super middle,Burley a welter/middle.
     
    Last edited: Aug 17, 2020
    RightLeftCombo likes this.
  7. RightLeftCombo

    RightLeftCombo Active Member Full Member

    591
    568
    Feb 21, 2019
    Charles was the more complete boxer, Holmes the better heavyweight.
     
    TipNom, mcvey and George Crowcroft like this.
  8. JC40

    JC40 Boxing fan since 1972 banned Full Member

    1,101
    1,843
    Jul 12, 2008
    Thanks mate n lets just say that I won't be posting in or reading the " Lounge " section anymore hahaha.
     
    mrkoolkevin likes this.
  9. Saintpat

    Saintpat Boxing Junkie Full Member

    14,100
    9,062
    Jun 26, 2009
    I’m sorry, is the argument here that boxers who kill someone in the ring are better punchers because that makes no sense — do you think a bantam who killed someone in the ring hits harder than a middle who has not?

    I also don’t see any great change in his KO rate after as opposed to before — if there is you’d also have to consider the better rate of opposition later rather than just assume he became a hunt-and-peck artist.

    I don’t see Ezzard as a great puncher. Adequate, sure, but I see Holmes power shots carrying a lot more power and being a lot sharper. Power is also conveyed in the effectiveness of his jab, although it was not a knockout punch.

    In short, you can come up with an explanation (he killed a man) and extrapolate that he somehow decided to hit less hard after that incident, but it’s not like he knocked out everybody before and that changed after.
     
    Blaxx and mrkoolkevin like this.
  10. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

    6,613
    4,330
    Oct 22, 2015
    If you base it on either resume or eye test it's Charles and it's not close. I'm struggling to find any justification at all to put Holmes above him. Charles was a top tier all time great as both a technician and overall fighter
     
  11. Jel

    Jel Reserving the right to be inconsistent Full Member

    5,344
    8,034
    Oct 20, 2017
    You can add a loss of his natural killer instinct after the Baroudi fight as an another factor in that percentage.

    EDIT: I see you mention this in another post. As you were.
     
    George Crowcroft and Saintpat like this.
  12. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

    18,263
    9,045
    Jan 30, 2014
    You're no longer interested in the political rants of dishonest, misinformed wretches? That place is a cesspool, but I miss it. :lol:
     
  13. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Member of the PC Fan Club Full Member

    2,576
    2,506
    Jan 28, 2018
    :loel:
    Sure whats next? P4P Goat Ezzy does better against the corpse of Joe Louis than 187lb Evander Holyfield would, who was a worse boxer too?

    My ***, we have a winner here!

    My *** 2nd, the eye test when giving away size :facepalm:

    This content is protected
     
    mrkoolkevin likes this.
  14. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    43,109
    8,548
    Jan 3, 2007
    I picked Charles as being the boxer... Not necessarily the winner of a fantasy fight
     
  15. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

    18,263
    9,045
    Jan 30, 2014
    Do you feel that Charles would probably beat Holmes if they were the same size?
     
    GOAT Primo Carnera likes this.