Who was better, Lewis or Wlad?

Lewis didn’t control much in that fight. Lol And when he “Wasn’t gassed” you say? Hahaha! Like in the first two rounds before the bad cut?? When Vitali was boxing his skull in?? Was he just “gassed” then?

And Emanuel Steward himself said Lewis was in shape for that fight. They wanted the extra pounds for Vitali because they knew they were going up against a VERY strong guy who was a SOLID 250lbs.

 

Nah he was in terrible shape, at that stature putting in the extra pounds only happens when your not in tip top shape....Lennox didn’t need to put on extra blubber to out muscle Vit where’s the logic in that? Inside bullying wasn’t even close to either guys forte point blank period. Nice try doe.

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It doesn't make me any less of a Wladimir fan to say Lennox here. He simply beat better fighters, more fighters of a certain high quality, and his losses weren't near as damaging to a legacy.

 

Holyfield shouldn't be ranked above Wlad in anyone's ATG heavyweight rankings.

As for Bowe outside of Holyfield his resume was severely lacking against C level opposition like Dokes, Donald, Gonzalez.

Tyson was a borderline journeyman from the 90's onwards in regards to resume beating perhaps some of the weakest ever champions in Bruno and Seldon.

And again Moorer excellent light heavyweight but besides Holyfield he lost to old Foreman then had Schulz, Botha and Bean as his defences.....how is this better than Haye, Povetkin or Byrd?

As for the next level Mercer and Ibeabuchi are the standout, but Golota is only famous for the Bowe fight I ask you honestly look at his top 3 victories and he was dispatched very early by Brewster and Austin.

All I'm saying is take the blinkers off the English sounding names off, take away the fact that they're American and delve a little deeper.

 

Vitaly Klitchsko kos them both, if his eye holds out...

 

“B.. But Lennox was in terrible shape regardless of what Emanuel Steward himself said doe! Lennox just gassed in the first two rounds and that’s why Vitali was outboxing him and had him out on his feet multiple times! And I’d rather not even think about a rematch because regardless of what 90% of all boxing fans including Steward himself wanted... I don’t think it was even necessary doe! I mean a bad cut tells da whole story about how a fight went after all and should be the deciding factor on how it ends regardless of who was leading on the cards doe.” ~Craper

Lol Think what you want troll boy

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Fighters always find it hard to retire, it's a daunting final step in a career, look at Vitali himself when he retired, strung it out for a year and a half, had his mandatory delayed 3 times and had poor Stiverne dangling on a string waiting for Vitali to retire. Even then Vitali only vacated his belt he didn't actually announce he had retired, I'm not sure if he officially made an announcement that he had actually retired.

Yeah the whole world wanted a rematch but he was retired the man knew he no longer had the desire to do it and commit to the sport like he once had and so remained retired. I don't begrudge him for that, just as I don't begrudge Vitali for quitting and becoming a politician or begrudge him for trying to make a name and fortune by fighting an old man in Lewis as it's a fight people wanted.

As for Vitali being bad for his legacy losing at that point would of been meaningless, Lewis coming out of retirement would of likely just been a cash grab and nobody would of thought he would of been the same fighter.

 

Steward always said Lewis was best around 243lbs, that's the kind of weight he always wanted Lewis in after they tried Lewis at a higher weight earlier in their partnership. Lewis at 256lbs was never in shape, that much mass would always see him gas, look at how Joshua has looked at a lower weight in his last fight, far quicker more fluid and more stamina. If they did choose to come in that heavy for Vitali it was an error and back fired because either way it hampered Lewis' performance.

 

All other arguments aside, I would put my $ on Lewis every time. Lewis was a smart boxer but also a true fighter, just as dangerous if not more so when hurt. Wlad was a smart boxer but got confused and wilted when hurt.

And I say that having a great deal of respect for Wlad.

 

I can accept both arguments. People saying they think Wlad was better and the other way around.

But the ones going on about “LEWIS WAS BETTER BY A MILE!” Lol GTFOH

Emanuel Steward said many times Wladimir was the most talented HW he ever worked with. Also said Wlad hit harder than anyone else too. To say Lewis is light years ahead of Wladimir doesn’t even make sense.

And if Hasim Rahman could one hit shut Lewis’ brain off for a ten count... It’s not out of the question that Wladimir, who was better than Rahman, also could.

 

But he is ranked above Wlad by most people's lists, fact is Holyfield achieved more, beat better names than Lewis and Wlad, was a 3 time champ, fought in fights that will be remembered for decades, his legacy is far more secure than Wlad's who never beat another ATG not even an old one and who's most significant fights were a snorefest vs Haye where he failed to close the show and Povetkin where he hugged Povetkin to death. Wlad barely scrapes into the top 10, Holyfield is arguably top 5 or close to it, hell some still rate him over Lewis.

True Bowe's resume is pretty thins outside of Evander. But that's still a resume head and shoulders above Haye's who's best win is who exactly, Chisora, Ruiz, Valuev?

Even Byrd, does his draw vs Golota, a win over a far more faded Holyfield than Bowe faced, or Tua a guy I didn't even rate in the top 5 of Lewis era. Maybe the "win" over Vitali, if we count that we have to count Bowe's "wins" over Golota lol.

Even Povetkin's best win is only Chagaev, Bowe's resume still better than his, the 2 Holyfield wins. Honestly Bowe might have a weak resume but still better than Haye's, Byrd's and Povetkin's.

Tyson was a borderline journeymen? Lol that's a stretch, he wasn't the same as the 80's fighter but he still smashed Ruddock twice, beat Golota with ease, beat Bruno without even getting out of first gear. 90's Tyson right now would be a top 3 heavyweight in the 00's and 10's.

Erm how about beating an ATG in Evander Holyfield. Yeah he lost to Evander later but he did beat him the first time round. He has a better win on his record than Vitali and Wlad combined. And even if you don't rank him highly in that era, the guys below him like Ibeabuchi, Golota, Mercer and Tua are comparable to Haye, Povetkin, Byrd.

Golota for all his flaws was a decent fighter. He should of gotten the win over Ruiz and he drew with Byrd. So Golota a guy I don't rank top 5 in Lewis' era drew with a guy who is top 5 in Wlad's era. That's a pretty clear indication which era was better.

I don't care if they are English or American, nationalities is a pretty much meaningless concepts to me. I'm a Chinese Brit but my favourite fighter ever is Hopkins. I am a Vitali fan and have been since he KO'ed Hide a Brit and the only time I didn't root for him was against Lewis. I wanted Wlad to KO Fury so bad it hurt. I judge a fighters worth not on their nationality but by what they achieved and what they could do in the ring. Wlad's era was weak to me, thought it at the time, still do, nothing I saw outside of Wlad or Vitali really impressed me during this era.

 

Not sure if serious...

 

Vitali had two weeks notice for the Lewis fight, Lewis had a badly broken nose, they could have stopped the fight on Lewis' nose, if the cut had not happened, Lewis would have been knocked out. Lewis has been knocked out cold by Rahman, and TKO'd by McCall......................

 

I agree he did duck the Vitali re match & IMO, was losing before the cut...but this thread is about the guy who had panic attacks after a flabby little guy called Sanders, who Vlad was supposed to walk over Lol Vlad the panicker

 

"I believe Lennox was the best since Ali" Mods...CJ's account has been hacked by Dino...or somefink weird has happened to him ?