Who was better out of Virgil Hill, Fabrice Tiozzo and Henry Maske at 175?

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  1. Seamus

    Seamus Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The list of those who ducked Maske is proof enough of his status as an ATG.
     
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  2. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Maske was more awkward then good. Shades of Ottke .
    Hill went to Germany and beat him. Fair and square.
    Maske had a nice little run in Germany and made good money.
    Had he left he would have had more losses.
     
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  3. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Had he fought contenders instead of handpicked nobodies, he would certainly have a few more 0's on his sheet!
     
  4. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    well no, Toney fought Williams immediately after the Maske fight.Toney stopped Williams while Maske had to settle for a competitive points win.
     
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  5. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The One and Only Full Member

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    No you pretend it was around the Duran Williams fight, which was in 1996.

    And 117 - 112 or even 119 - 109 seems not that competitive to me. While he was it rather with Toney, despite boxing in a division he never competed before as professional.

    The main difference was Charles Williams was the (lineal) champion against Henry Maske, but challenger vs. James Toney, similar as Barkley was vice versa, who after losing compettive on points against Toney was in the next year dominated and stopped by Maske (resigned in the corner).
     
  6. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I was only talking about Duran Williams. You know, Maske took on another name American fighter in Barcley because that fight was far less risky.Regardless of the Griffin losses (which were bad décisions), James Toney would have been a big name on Maske's resume. I guess Sir Henry just did not want to take the risk.
     
  7. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The One and Only Full Member

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    You made just propaganda about the time of his defence against Duran Williams, indicating Toney stopped Charles Williams around the time (if I shall quote you there, I can), but it was two year before and he took in the meantime several defeats (perhaps 3 or 4).

    Griffin won the second fight rather comfortable and Jones humilated Toney at all. While he went on to only compete for minor titles, losing to journeyman Drake Thadzi, who got dominated by Michalczewsky later.
    I'm not even sure if James Toney won any fight st Light-Heavyweight, but he lost probably more. So defending against him would be just picking up a big name who is not competitive at world level anymore, but it is questionable if the IBF would have sanctioned it, with a challenger who lost three times in a short period against second tier opposition. So Barkley was likely more worth at that point.

    It is like to claim Calzaghe avoided Lucas or Markussen, as them would be available, especially after the defeat by Beyer, which was close.
     
  8. THE BLADE 2

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    Look, I was referring to the stoppage of Duran Williams. I never referred to Charles Williams.The 2nd Toney - Griffin was voted worst decision of the year. And no Toney won many more bouts at light heavy.

    Look Toney completely schooled Barkley and yet you are asserzing Barkley is more Worth than Toney.

    As far for the IBF, you may have a point there. Toney fought for the little regarded WBU title and I am not sure he was ranked by the IBF as a result.So I would not say Maske ducked him but he did not want to face himn either. He preferred to defend against lesser opponents ,
     
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  10. Ra's Al-Ghul

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    Errm... Duran Williams was never stopped, as he never fought again after Maske and was before undefeated.

    Most want I read of user had Griffin in the second fight comfortable winning, which was a unanimous decision (in opposite to their first one) and got therefore a shot vs. Jones.

    But they didn't fight at Light-Heavyweight, where Barkley achieved more than Toney. Who had a longer campaign in Cruiserweight.
    As he went on to lose against average boxer Drake Thadzi, there was no point he had earned a shot for any major title in this division. It is questionable if he was by any of them listed in a top 10 there afterwards. He just didn't deserve it and I only know of the third, pointless, fight against faded McCallum did he win in that weight-class.
     
  11. THE BLADE 2

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    This is pathetic.Toney stopped Duran Williams in 9 rounds.You can check on boxrec or even watch the fight on YouTube.
    I guess you never watched Toney-Griffin II, you are way off there as usual.HBO had that fight 9 rounds to 3 for Toney.The fight was voted worst décision of the year.
    Toney schooled Barkley at whatever weight and then Maske fought Barkley after that.Enough said.
     
  12. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The One and Only Full Member

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    But it was much closer/ more competitive than against Maske; one of the judges had it one point difference either way. While Williams earned only 2 - 3 of the 12 rounds against Maske. So Toney got probably aware after testing himself here, that Maske is a number to big for him and he was afraid to get humilated again.

    Barkley had fought at that time in Light-Heavyweight before (defeated Hearns in it, just after who dethroned Hill), Toney not, as h just moved in this fight up to Super-Middleweight, where he was new and had to accumulate first.
     
  13. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hardly any punches weere thrown in the Toney v Griffin rematch.
     
  14. lufcrazy

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    Hill quite clearly. Then Make quite clearly. The Tiozzo clear third.
     
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  15. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Toney lost only 2-3 rounds against Duran Williams.

    To be honest, the timing for a Toney-Maske was never really there. Maske was not gonna risk himself against Toney if he did not have to. Also, Toney made bad career choices by fighting for minor titles such as the WBU. But it would have been an interesting fight.
     

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