Who was better - Peter Jackson or James Corbett?

1 ) They we active and a fight could have made. I had detail of Aussie 's calling him out to meet Goddard. Jackson for sure could have been made. Sullivan was still young. Enough of the excuses, He simply did not meet the 4-5 best of the times and mostly fight the smaller fights who he failed to finish.


2 ) Size is important, but lack of size is more important. Sullivan did exactly blow away any hall of fame level heavyweights or any worthy of mention in gloved affairs.

3 ) It wasn't his birthright to win. They got the decision wrong, Sullivan didn't have a good left. When did he injury that arm?

4 ) The fights were scheduled 4-6 rounds when similar fights with the same opponents clearly went more!

 

Sullivan announced his retirement after the Killrain fight, and was not an active fighter after this.

Yes he was eventually tempted back into the ring, for an all time high pay day, but for practical purposes he is done after the Killrain fight.

Frankly I think that not fighting Godfrey, is a much bigger blemish on Sullivan's record, than not fighting Jackson!

If you place a high premium on size of opposition when ranking champions, then Sullivan is not your man, and neither is Jeffries or Marciano.

However they were all fighting the best opponents available at the time, with the odd exception.

Draws were much more common back then.

If a fight was close, they would often render a draw, because then the gamblers all kept their money.

Sullivan seems to have broken his arm at some point in the Cardiff fight, and the injury is documented by multiple contemporary medical reports.

Give me an example of this.

 

Burke and Corbett did fight.

 

So you agree that Mike Tyson should have fought both Klitschkos? That's how ridiculous your reasoning is here.

 

He fought a lot of fights past Kilrain and it took forever to finish a weak lot in a non -gloved affair.

Godfrey was not among the top 5 that Sullivan missed out on. For example Peter Jackson had fights of KO 19 over Godfrey in 19 rounds, Ko of 18+ rounds of Macauiliffe, and Ko over Cardiff in 10 rounds in a time line where Sullivan was active.

Goddard has lots of fights when Sullivan was active. 8 rounds vs Jackson a scheduled 20 rounds that went 15 vs Maculiffe, 9 rounds vs Lees, a scheduled 20 rounds vs Choynski, a 21 round KO vs Dooley and others... Your question has been answered and I don't have the time to look everyone he missed! You can. Yet Sullivan only had 4-6 round fight for 1884-1891???

Maricano fought bigger men and better man, and Jeffries weighed 215-220 as champion and also fought bigger men. He was big enough for a modern heavy, bigger than Liston, or Ali.

When did the injury happen in the Cardiff fight. He was beaten in that one, to was another short fight and a bad decision.

 

In fairness to him, it is a hard era to get your head around.

The available information about the fighters, just snowballs towards the end of Sullivan's era.

 

He's trying to use against John his lack of fights with Goddard, Jackson and Slavin. We don't know a lot about his era, but we know for sure that they didn't belong to his era

 

No, but Tyson meet top Challenges when he was active including Lewis and Holyfield, he fought many contenders and was scheduled to fight Vitaly Kiltschko, except Danny Williams knocked him out. Sullivan I repeat miss out on top fighters at least 5 of them!

 

Sullivan had no fights between Kilrain and Corbett.

 

None of the fighters you mentioned are from his era.

 

Um Yes they did and we active fighters when Sullivan was. I listed more than them. Godfrey for example. Sullivan could have fought them before his 33rd birthday!

 

Why does he keep talking here against the facts? I'm not an expert about Sullivan's time, but it's not hard to check the facts these days.

 

Sullivan had no fights between Kilrain and Corbett, when should he face them?

Do you realize that it was 19th century right? Being a boxer back then meant much different life style than today. Most boxers were done after 30. People lived far less then, you can't compare him to boxers from 100 years later.

 

Right, that was 1899, and the excuse for Sullivan not meeting others is? Surely there were offers between this fight and Corbett.

 

I think Sullivan's opposition was poor but arguable as the best around. Cardiff was on a par with Killen who hit the bottle big time and McAuliffe didn't amount to much in the end. For sure Jakson, Slavin and Goddard were viable opponents after the Kilrain fight, Maher was not but Godfrey was probably his biggest miss in the early period.