Who was better - Peter Jackson or James Corbett?

He retired? I think it's quite good excuse.

 

Sullivan flat out ducked Jackson well before Corbett. Read and learn. I can't believe these replies. Research And fighters fought well beyond Sullivan's last official fight at age 32. Corbett and Fitz for example after him.

[url]https://www.csun.edu/~vcspc00g/603/peterjackson.pdf[/url]

 

He was done before Corbett, maybe he ducked Jackson but it has no meaning to evaluation of his prime. What do you fail to understand? He retired after Kilrain fight and had all rights to do so.

 

I get that, but he could have fought others before Kilrain. Jackson was one of them. Choynski who I did not mention was another. I read Sullivan ducked Goddard to. That one certainly could have happened well before Sullivan retired. And Godfery. Check the dates.

 

Okay who said he was out of his prime at age 30? Names please. Not giving any means your have no proof. He just went 75 rounds with Kilrain. None of the press said he was shot before the Corbett fight. It was evident he wasn't in Corbett's class but I suspect skills had lot to due with it as he was in good enough shape to go 21 rounds. If he was past it like you claim wouldn't Corbett ends it much sooner? He fights Corbett at age 32. When exactly are you saying his prime ended?

 

Joe turned pro in 1888 and won serval first like 15 of them before Corbett v Sullivan. He also sparred with Sullivan. Goddard turned pro in 1889 and had 15 or so fights before Corbett vs Sullivan.

Bob Fitzsimmons turned pro in 1885 and won several fights before Kirlain and Sullivan. He turned pro after wining the Jim Mace event. Sullivan officially retired after Corbett. Of course record especially old records are incomplete. They all could have fought sooner.

 

Jackson came to the USA in the second half of '88, Goddard and Choynski were only starting out in '89.

 

There were many offers, but he was more interested in drinking himself into a coma, and this was his main preoccupation.

He set an almost impossible price (by the standards of the era), for making a comeback against anybody.

It basically turned on the fact, that Corbett produced the money first!

 

With no disrespect, you are very confused about the timeline here.

None of those fighters, were front line opponents, before Sullivan fought Killrain, with the arguable exception of Jackson.

The press was screaming at Sullivan to fight Killrain, and unify the title claims.

They wanted him to finally resolve the question, of whether bare knuckle boxers, or gloved boxers were superior.

After the Killrain fight, he was retired pure and simple.

 

Every fight which was decided on points official and went to the scorecards I suppose. The others were in fact no decisions just as, even if there were new paper decisions, these didn't go into the record.
Therefore has Greb around 70 no decisions and Briton in 17 of his title fights (which are 37).
Or McCoy kept the title, even when he got disqualified several times.

And by the way in the fight report is fixed that Jackson was down (twice), also that most thought Corbett deserved a win here (won likely more rounds).

 

Choynski and Goddard were novices before Kilrain fight. I'm not going to reply forever, everyone in this thread are patient enough and tried to explain you the timeline, but you are too focused in trying to downgrade Sullivan's accomplishements. How can you hate a man who was born before you grandparents? I can never understand that...

 

Correction Choynski had his 1st pro fight on Nov 14th1888 his 2nd inDecember26th of that year they lasted a total of 5 rds.Do you think this qualifies him for a title fight?
Goddard had his 1 st pro fight on April1st1889 the year Sullivan retired,again do you think he was a suitable title challenger for the retiring champion at that point?
Goddard had his 1 st fight in the US in Jun 1992.

When he fought Corbett in Sep1892 Sullivan had been retired for 3 years and 2 months,since his last fight against Kilrain in June1889. Prior to the Kilrain fight Goddard had been a pro for 2 months! There is no time scale basis for stating Sullivan ducked either Choynski or Goddard.

 

We are talking about the 1890's .
NAME ONE FIGHT HELD IN THE US THAT WAS DECIDED BY JUDGES IN THAT ERA? Please produce a primary source that states Corbett floored Jackson twice.

 

You really need to provide a source for that claim. I've read many reports of this fight and never seen any mention of Jackson being knocked down.