Who was better?

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  1. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    at dealing with boxers?

    Leonard in his two dealings with Hearns and Norris or Hagler with Hearns and Leonard

    I say Hagler because he did better with Tommy and didnt lose as bad as Leonard whenever he had somebody younger in front of him
     
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  2. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Leonard
     
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  3. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Now comes the hard part. why Leonard?
     
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  4. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    Leonard was going up and down in weight, and by the time he fought Norris was in the perfect position to get beaten.

    However, I always rank Marvin higher in all time rankings, due to the fact that I do not like Leonard. Strange as he has all the attributes I like in a boxer. There's just something about him that irks me!
     
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  5. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Now are you saying this to protect/boost the reputation of Leonard? because that's what a lot of people do. They count the Hagler fight even tho it is a split decision and let it go to their heads

    Yes, leonard was past his prime in the Norris fight but not greatly past it as reflected by the odds in his favor. In addition, Leonard more than offset the age vs. youth with his edge in experience and thus, Leonard proved that he was woefully inept when it came to dealing with boxers (ie; quality boxers with excellent speed), not lead footed past their prime, sluggish, lethargic boxers

    Moreover, Hagler fared much better against Hearns than Ray did.
     
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  6. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Leonard
     
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  7. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Elaborate Magoo this is a discussion board. a five year old can do better than that.
     
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  8. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Can he do better than this:

    Leonard
     
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  9. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Don't waste your time by responding RedRooster, I know your agenda all to well, as does most others by now.

    Sugar Ray Leonard was shot against Norris, so that loss counts about as much as Ali's against Holmes, or Duran's against Joppy.

    Although he was being outboxed against Hearns for long periods, he became the first man to not only defeat Hearns, but stop him in the process. +1

    Hagler was able to do the same thing, but earlier, however he was the natural middleweight of the two. +1

    Leonard outboxed and outhussled Marvin, despite being inactive and out of his comfort zone at Middleweight. The clincher ladies and gentleman. +1

    Leonard SD.
     
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  10. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Agreed,

    of all the fabulous four, Leonard was probably the best well rounded. He could box, punch, go the distance, take a good shot, adapt, come off the canvas to win, etc.
     
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  11. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Leonard was one of the most complete fighters ever to lace them up, but he catches a lot of **** for whooping on everybody's favorite fighters; Duran, Hearns, and Hagler. Comes with the territory, unfortunately.

    All of the fab four are fantastic, and all-time greats respectively. :good
     
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  12. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    True,

    I have a hard time rating any of them above the other. Still, if I were forced to take a pick, I would probably rated Leonard the best. He has wins over all three of the others, while none of the other men can make the same claim.
     
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  13. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    Rooster doesn't understand how people can be fan of a fighter, yet speak the truth when it comes to the fighters shortcomings. And if you give your honest opinion of a fighter you're not a fan of and that opinion makes that fighters record, etc, look good, he sees you as a fan of the fighter in question.

    It reflects very well on how he views Hagler, get the picture?
     
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  14. Silver

    Silver The Champ is Here Full Member

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    well, if hagler hadnt fought a stupid fight against leonard, this would be much of a discussion.
     
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  15. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Or we can say it like this:

    If Leonard was a natural middleweight and hadn't taken 3 years off, it wouldn't have been much of a contest in the first place.

    Its nice to have options in life isn't it?:good
     
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