Who was better?

Your the mole, god you make the dumbest arguements ever.

This is a good way to compare them

1. longevity: toney, his career as a top fighter/contender was much longer
2. success in higher weights: toney has beaten heavyweights and arguably beat sam peter and held rahman to a draw, while zarate hasnt even beaten a super bantamweight.
3. ability to come back after a loss: toney did, zarate's career was over as soon as he got his ass kicked.
4.resume: toney has beat the better fighters

Whats your arguemnt, that zarte doesnt lose to this fighter, that fighter, blah, blah blah. Your arguement is something that you cant even prove, while james toney beats him in 4 major criterias when it comes to rankign a fighter. Toney has never been knocked out 60 pounds past his original weight, while zarate got stopped 4 pounds and 8 pounds past his original weight.

 

Zarate and Pintor.

 

so since zarate never did anything at other weights, ur counter arguement is that toney didnt fight all the elites at higher weights, what a come back!

Toney has beat more champs than zarate has even beat contenders. All of toneys 'losses' were debatable, your not some authority that declares where its a final win or loss.

Zarate: 62 bums and 4 legitimate fighters
toney: 8 or 9 beltholders and about 5 or 6 contenders

Geez this is a hard one.

 

Zarate over Toney easily, but I could go for Nunn over Pintor. The Michael Nunn that beat Tate, Kalambay and Roldan was great.

Woller

 

Toney and Nunn. Both head-to-head and resume-wise.

 

Toney's losses to Peter (II) and Jones were debatable now were they?

 

So, nobody's allowed to rate Hagler and Monzon above Toney then because they didn't jump weight, despite dominating at their natural weight (something Toney never ever did).

 

I think Nunn and Zarate , not to disrespect Toney , just that Zarate was great . Dont know too much about Pintor other than the record and the fight with Zarate , from what I have read of him though , I think Nunn

 

There are quotes around word 'losses', obviously meaning the ones you hear debates about, whether he really lost or not.

 

This is how I see it too. Zarte over Toney by a clear enough margin. Nunn over Pintor by a shade.

 

Toney beat Reggie Johnson, Michael Nunn, Mike McCallum, Iran Barkley, Tim Littles, and Charles Williams while fighting at 160 and 168.

His two losses to Montell Griffin were very much disputed when they happened.

He defeated Jirov at cruiserweight. He defeated Ruiz, and Holyfield; drew with Rahman, and lost a controversial decison to Sam Peter.

Toney only has 6 losses in 80 bouts, 3 of which are disputed, and one is to a future hall of famer argued by some to have the most athletic talent to enter the sport.

Some of you are also arguing that Nunn is better than Pintor and that Zarate is better than Toney. Pintor beat Zarate andToney knocked Nunn out.

 

Did he really tho? What was your scorecard?