Who was better?

How am I supposed to know which 'losses' he's referring? Some of you fanboys are so deluded you score a 10-9 edge if your fighter remains on his feet for a whole round.


What about his 'wins' then?

 

I appreciate what Toney's done but Zarate is top 3 at Bantam ever. His record and career there was utterly dominating.

Nunn was the next big thing (Much like Curry in ways) and did indeed look brilliant in a few fights but fell in a heap for whatever reason. By contrast Pintor has a decent little stretch at one time. I like Pintor but this one is close. Nunn had a good stretch too.

 

I don't think I've seen anyone dispute his losses to Jones and 2nd fight with Peter, so they are out of the question.

 

Nunn was great in flashes (vs Tate, Kalambay) but was mostly average in his title reign. He looked quite awful against Starling and Barkley and was gifted in the first Cordoba fight). The Curry comparison is a good one- he was never the same after a defeat. Although even at his best he mostly flattered to deceive.


ps. Although I rate Zarate ahead of Pintor, the Toney-Carlos is at least debatable. Nunn ahead of Pintor? What a joke.

 

James 'split decision' Toney has had just as many debatable wins. You can't just count these disputes as 'wins' and the disputed 'losses' as 'wins' too.

 

Zarate over the overrated Toney.

Nunn and Pintor is debatable in my eyes.Neither were great, though Pintor was far more dedicated and made the most of his career.

Nunn's reputation was based largely on an excellent dominant performance of the ok Frank Tate and a fluke first round ko in his unification bout.

He rarely ever fought well.

 

why not pintor beat at best 5 contenders, nunn accomplished more.

 

Nunn only beat Tate and Kalambay at their best. Was woeful against Starling and Barkley. Curry was a pathetic shell against Michael in their fight. I think Hagler was at ringside for that one. Probably asleep. Nunn's career isn't that much better than Breland's if we examine it. He did have talent but proved to be mostly hype. Maybe I was overrating Pintor in my quote you posted, it was probably a response to Lupe being underrated in general and Nunn being overrated (massively).

 

Poor argument. Zarate didn't leave "as soon as he got his ass kicked." He went back to bantam and fought quite well against intor and only retired as a form of protest for being jobbed in the decision.

Also, fighting in higher weights isn't necessarily any criteria for placing one fighter over another. You're gonna put Toney above Zarate because Zarate had the discipline to take the fork out of his fat face?

It's also real debateable as to which fighter beat the better opposition.

 

You gotta be kidding me if you think Toney ducked those fighters. You must be crazy whether you like toney or not he is not a coward and doesn't duck fighters. IT took Calzaghe years to get big fights cause he was so selective fighting opponents in Wales. Who do you honestly think in a head to head terms is a more dangerous man to fight for the smaller Toney a Calzaghe, Virgil Hill or a big hulking heavyweight in Sam Peter.

 

Toney gets too much **** for having a few bad nights however old timers always get excuses for having bad nights on this board it seems. It seems like Toney is getting **** for losing to Peter in his second fight against him although he cleary won the first. But by that standard i hope i start to read about Mickey Walker getting **** for losing to Max Schemling at heavyweight. There seems to be a DOUBLE STANDARD on the classic forum.

 

He didn't actually say he "ducked" them as such, simply stated he didn't fight em. I'm sure SS will clarify tho.

 

JohnThomas1, I have never scored the Pintor vs. Zarate round by round. It was a close fight as I remember. I wasn't trying to give an opinion as to who won that fight. I was saying that with some people picking Nunn over Pintor, that people should pick the person that knocked Nunn out to be better than a person he officially defeated. Especially since most people that score for Zarate think he barely won.

Those that think that Nunn was not at his peak when Toney beat him are a little off. Nunn was only around 28, I think, and went on to win the 168lb. title afterward.