Who was better?

Yeah but its a proven fact that in highschool he was 215lbs quarterback. Thats alot of weight to cut, hence why he moved up so fast. Then again he did call out julian jackson while he was still at 160, jackson wouldnt fight him. Toney disses eubank and benn in interviews calling them cowards and saying they blatantly avoided him too.

 

Most HS quarterbacks are meatheads and/or fatasses.

Toney is 5'10"...215 is overweight for him. Most NFL running backs at around 5'10 are <200lbs, with many of the best ones being ~185lbs. Those guys are JACKED + in extremely good cardiovascular shape - they have extremely intensive lifting plans and some of the best nutritionists in the world. They're about as fit as extremely muscular, stocky guys can get - none of that weight is extra.

I'd be willing to bet that the "215lb QB" Toney was a fatass.

 

When toney fought at 175 and cruiserweight, it looked like those were the weight classes more suitable to him. Are you going to deny that.

 

175 and CW are not 215lbs. I'll accept that he was a "natural LHW", for whatever that's worth, but that still means he was 40lbs lighter than he was as a "215lb HS quarterback".

Any version of Toney at 200+lbs = overweight.

 

Against McCallum Toney is officially 2 wins and 1 draw. But i personally think he won the first fight but a case can be made for McCallum in the 2nd fight but Toney won the 3rd. He beat Terry McGroom but McGroom put up a spirited effort no doubt. But the McGroom and Thadzi fights are from Toney's dark stage of his career kinda like Duran when he lost to kirkland liang but woudl later redeem himself. He beat Sanderline Willimas as a green fighter on his way up but Sanderline was the type of fighter who hung in there with lots of elite guys he went the distance with Benn, the G-Man, Barkley etc. In my opinion he won the Montell Griffin fights and edged Reggie Johnson. I have the Tiberi fight and seen up to round 9 never finished the fight and unless Toney put something together in the final rounds he prolly lost that fight.

 

For me it's Zarate ahead of Toney.

Carlos Zarate's career record of 70 matches for 66(63) wins and 4(2) losses ranks him amongst the very best.

Zarate started his career winning his first 23 bouts by KOs. He had a points win in his 24th bout, and then a further 28 wins by KO. So after 52 matches he was 52 wins, 51 by KO!

Admittedly many of Zarate's early wins were against novices - but hey, you can only beat who they throw in with you. Zarate did fight better opposition later.

Zarate retired with only two losses. Came back. Strung some wins together, and then lost his last two bouts. So at one point he reached 66 wins from 68 matches, with 63 by KO!

That's a record few, if any (including Toney), in boxing history can match!

 

Schmeling is an atg while Peter is only a contender in a very weak hw division. Also Walker started and did his best work at WW while Toney started at MW. Big difference.

Also Toney had many close fights with far inferior opposition, some old-timers may have lost more but it´s very rare that they lost to such low competition.
For example the loss of Duran against Hagler even raised Duran´s stock. I don´t think the same can be said about Toney after the Toney-Tiberi fight.

Toney was and is a very good fighter even a lower class atg but he had too many short-comings - meaning close fights with bad competition, even losses, not fighting some fighters, inconsistency, lack of dedication - too be up there with the real greats.

 

I agree,Zarate was in the top 5 of all time at his weight,maybe top 3 Nunn had more talent than Pintor though I would prefer to watch Lupe every time.