Who was greater, Marvin Hart or Jess Willard, and why?

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Go for it!
     
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  2. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Interesting one.

    There's a lot less controversy in Willard's win, but it was a much more faded Johnson. Still I like Willard's body of work more, even if it isn't especially strong. Pretty good win over Frank Moran, good fight with McCarty, and Floyd Johnson is a pretty impressive win considering Willard's age.
     
  3. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    Willard had more longevity, more title defenses (1 vs 0), lost to a better champ (Dempsey vs Burns), and I'd take a win over an older Johnson than a green Johnson. Not to mention that Burns was a paper champion (though Root was no slouch), wheras Willard had to dethrone an actual champion

    Even though Hart beat slightly better competition (O'Brien, Choynski, Maher, Root and Johnson vs Morris, Johnson and Floyd Johnson), I'd have to give it to Willard
     
  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Intruiging question.
     
  5. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hart beat Root (a good fighter) and had good competitive fights with Choynski, Ruhlin, Gardner, O'Brien , Johnson while Willard's resume is slimmer, Moran, McCarty and a Johnson win that I don't rate that high as all the conditions favoured Jess.
     
  6. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    My take.

    Willard has only one outstanding win.

    Hart arguably beat a much better version of Johnson, and has the Root win as well.

    Beyond that you are getting into questions like "is a win over Sandy Ferguson better than a win over Frank Moran", when the wins actually happened?

    I am starting to lean towards Hart a little!
     
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  7. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    The Ferguson decision seems to have been a controversial one, boxrec says a lot of people thought Sandy deserved it, but the reports I saw said it probably should have been a draw.
     
  8. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Draws tended to be given in close fights back then for political reasons, so yes it should perhaps have been a draw.
     
  9. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    You're convincing me.

    The Johnson that fought Hart wasn't all that green. A good win if we accept it.