Who was more eroded? Jones from the Calzaghe fight or Tyson from the Lewis fight?

Tyson.

 

Jones IMO.

Because he came in their believing he could win.


Tyson with all due respect, turned up against Lewis to Lose, and knew he was going to lose, so it came as no great surprise or erosion.

 

Tyson

 

Another hidden poll atsch
I was looking forward to seeing who voted for who.

 

I hope this thread isn't meant to detriment the ATG that is Lewis, because the answer is obvious: Tyson had no right being in that ring.

Also, we can all debate whether or not Lewis would have beaten Tyson in their respective primes (I think most of us appreciate those primes didn't cross over), but Calzaghe - and I'm a Brit hugger - would never, ever have beaten the best version of RJJ. RJJ was something else. Calzaghe was merely excellent.

 

Jones had speed, power and beyond all else, crazy reactions. I just see no way for Calzaghe to win that fight, just as I couldn't see how he could lose the fight they did have.

As for Tyson... I disagree, though can see the argument. Athleticism, I simply cannot agree. Lewis was the first (and possibly still only) true athlete of the big, big heavies. Also - and I know the (he's so underrated he's now the most overrated heavy of all time- please, no one say he's underrated ever again, cos it simply ain't true) Holmes fans could never agree, but Lewis' left stick, when against fearsome opposition, I believe was the greatest I've seen.

The best Tyson vs the best Lewis would have pitted two top 10 heavies of all time against each other, I believe. Shame it didn't - and couldn't - happen.



Oh, and just for emphasis: Larry Holmes is the most overrated boxer in the sport.

 

Not sure if i answered this already, But if not...It's Tyson by a mile.
Jones still has some speed where as Tyson had none & zero movement.
(Judging him by his fight before Lewis, I can now say the only reason I had Tyson was because I wanted to see it.)

 

Great post. you know what your talking about.

 

If I had to choose one I guess Jones.

 

It was in the january prior to him fighting Lewis, there was an interview with Mercer who confirmed it. I read it in the boxing news (British version).

 

PPL may criticize but IMO RJJ vs Calzaghe was competitive for 2/3 of a fight and Jones looked decent, past prime, but not shot. Jones's biggest problem appeared to be his confidence level (which was always a huge asset) but his reflexes and speed were also down a bit (but not too bad).


Tyson was not really even competitive w/ LL (even early). It was obviously a tumultous time for iron mike (see the press conference) and i don't think he was properly trained or conditioned for the fight. Tyson was also on prescription anti anxiety (or was it anti depressant?) drugs in the ring per their contract in light of Tyson's antics. That **** alone will take away from your performance. It's a shame b/c tyson looked in good from just 2 years prior and looked pretty good after albeit in very early rounds and against much lesser comp. (ettiene, williams before injury)


I'll say tyson was in worse form vs lennox than jones was vs calzaghe though it's fairly close.