Who was more over the hill when they fought?

I don't think either was shot. Holyfield was not paralyzed in fear like most fighters that face Tyson. Holyfield took it to him and Tyson folded. Oh, the headbutts didn't help.

 

neither was shot. holy was just much the tougher man

 

Tyson was more "gone", though not shot. This isn't even debatable.

 

Tyson was shot before prison, yes Holyfield was tough, but also he was ACTIVE.

a guy who was shot going into prison for 3-4 years or a guy whose been in tough wars but has been active

I believe Mike was way more wrote off

look at their next fights....Holyfield beat Moorer and went on to give a good account of himself against a prime lewis twice while Tyson was getting outboxed by the likes of Botha until he found the right hand

 

Both were prime, end thread, ban thread starter.

 

I'm still of the opinion that Tyson never truly recovered from prison, which was really just an extension of never recovering form D'amato death and the pervasive influence of Don King.

Holyfield on the other hand was a warrior, father time didn't catch up to him until 2000 and the Lennox fights took a lot out of him.

 

Tyson was, he ducked good competition prior to his jail time, he lost to a bum in Douglas, of course he looks worse against real fighters.

 

Bollocks.

Tyson was half the fighter he had been after coming out of prison and declined thereafter.

 

Tyson was shot in 92.
He quit caring after he made too much money and became a cash cow for king.

 

Neither was shot. tyson still young and Holy was at his chemically enhanced peak IMO. Tyson's boxing ability was on the slide tho

 

Tyson had wars with Ruddock but he just couldn't be bothered to train as hard as he did because his passion for the sport was gone and his life was going downhill with King & the divorce before the Douglas fight. I'm a Tyson fan and no excuses, Holy and Douglas were the better fighters on those nights but Tyson was looking better in the rematch and was angry as hell. Tyson probably had more in the tank than Holyfield physically just not mentally.

 

Well neither guy was shot in terms of their pure physical ability, i think actually Holyfield might have been a little more past his best in that regard, but still i vote Tyson because in the 90's he just never regained the confidence and the will to win that he had at his peak, he was mentally shot.

 

anglosaxon eat a dick. that is all