who was more skilled Hopkins or Hagler?

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  1. Bill1234

    Bill1234 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Hagler was a more rounded fighter but Hopkins has more tricks up his sleeve.

    Hard call.
     
  2. steve w

    steve w Active Member Full Member

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    Hagler, no contest.
     
  3. MAG1965

    MAG1965 Loyal Member banned

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    Hopkins has handpicked many guys and won some and lost some, but Hagler was dominant in a good era of middleweights. Marvin Hagler was more skilled. Hopkins was good and consistent.
     
  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Talent: Hagler (not to say Hopkins was without talent)
    Ring IQ: Hopkins (not to say Hagler's was low at all)
    Cumulative boxing skill sets: Very close.

    Overall effectiveness (taking the above three into consideration): I give it to Hagler by a smidge.
     
  5. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    This is perhaps the worst thread in which to bring up that win, and the worst win to bring up as an example in this thread. :huh

    I love Hagler, and especially love Hagler-Hearns...but compared to the bulk of his body of work, that **** had very little to do with skill. :yep
     
  6. darling dame

    darling dame Active Member Full Member

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    Hagler Fought better Competion!!Bokjai your assert Hagler needed to fight longer Minter, Sugar Ray Seales plus Hagler had smoother Style.. EVERYTHING Hamsho,Cyclone Hart,Beast Mugabi,Antufernmo Look at Marvins RECORD.. compare Anyone with Bad Bennie Briscoe,this isnt even close Holmes, cant even remember their names Hagler in a LANDSLIDE!!!!:happy
     
  7. laxpdx

    laxpdx Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Defensively it's a tossup, but offensively it's Hagler without question. Neither is lacking is skills, but Hagler has no real weaknesses IMO. He was the ultimate fighter.
     
  8. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jab: Hagler
    Straight Right/Left: Hopkins
    Body Punching: Hopkins
    Hooks: Hagler
    Combinations: Hagler
    Footwork: Hopkins
    Defense: Even
    Rough-housing: Hopkins
    Cutting off the ring: Even
    Counter-punching: Hagler
    Mid-range combat: Hagler
    Out-boxing: Hopkins
    Punch accuracy: Hagler
    Ring Generalship: Hagler (though Hopkins has done a good job of picking the right fights to appear to have the edge here)

    I'd probably go with Hagler overall, but it's close. Hopkins' ability to scrap is the only thing that makes me pause. Much better at scrapping than Marvin, who had to usually win 'honestly' if he was to win, which is a bit of a drawback...
     
  9. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    If you break it down simply by skills alone, I think I would give the edge to Hopkins.

    I do however believe that Marvin had certain intangibles that made him somewhat more determined at times.

    Both are extremely skilled fighters, and I do believe Marvin often gets sold short on boxing ability but I give a slight edge to B-Hops.

    At middleweight, I think Hagler beats Hopkins, though.
     
  10. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'd probably say Hopkins in this aspect. He was a specialized search and destroyer in his physical prime, while Hagler was much more comfortable boxing his opponent. Hagler showed against Hearns that he could turn hunter when needed, of course, but in other fights he seemed less comfortable chasing the other guy.
     
  11. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Would have been a fascination fight for sure.
     
  12. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Most certainly, and on many different levels.
     
  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Hagler is more skilled.
     
  14. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hagler's advantages: Better jab, smoother combination punching, switch-hitter (and effective from both stances). Better accuracy with his punches.

    Hopkins; advantages: Smoother transition from outside to inside, Cagier in terms of interspersing fouls with legal punching techniques. A bit harder to tag with a flush shot.

    I'd give the edge to Hagler, because the margin between him and Hopkins is quite narrow in most of the areas I gave to Hopkins- especially defensive ability. They both had/have a ton of skills.
     
  15. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    Hagler just wasn't that great really.